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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1313 of 1702 20 March 2014 at 4:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well so much for that. I found I was a little too dependent on passive absorption through listening to the cards while working out or commuting. So I'm back to the making myself get the card right in the next round. But I'm not giving up on improving the way I do SRS.. I'm trying out a new minimum interval: 2 days. Well, 45 hours. Some language learner guy said that in his experience the maximum amount of time to refresh your memory after 'learning' a card was 3 days. He had some other strange ideas but this one seemed to make sense to me. I'm thinking that if I sent the min interval to 2 days then that'll give me the whole following day to get off my butt and do my reviews. If this approach is effective then I'll reduce my review time by a lot. Which I could use to add more and more cards or do something else even better like reading.. which would lead to adding more and more cards probably too.
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1314 of 1702 22 March 2014 at 8:24am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've been watching anime without subs for a while now and just turned them back on and well I've decided it doesn't matter having them on. I don't think watching anime or any shows is really going to help your Japanese, listening or otherwise. I think it's more about increasing your vocabulary and that comes from studying and reading. So the point is to actually study something everyday. There's a bit of reinforcement from watching TV but I don't think having subs on or off really matters unless you're testing your ability. And before I turned them off I was already noticing that I was understanding the simpler dialogues fine with them on. And that shows I don't just tune out the Japanese if subs are on. I just get more of the plot because I don't miss anything.
But I'm using anime to study - subs2srs. Most shows have tons of vocabulary I don't know yet so it's a great resource and really interesting too. Nothing brings a language to life like good characters, story, and acting. I just worked through Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood Ep 2. 135 new words. Well, some not so knew just rusty so I stuck them in. So far the 2 day minimum interval seems to be working but I'll know better after a couple weeks I think. The whole point of SRS is to review something right before you forget it so I want to push that as much as I can. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1315 of 1702 24 March 2014 at 6:03am | IP Logged | |||||
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I came up with an idea. Probably won't do much but I'm hoping. Since Japanese 102, actually especially
then, I found that I learned the kun readings really easily but struggled with the on readings. And I figured this was because on reading vocabulary had multiple kanji making it harder for the mind to absorb. Too much information at once so to speak. I think some people are lucky and can say handle it better than others without having to resort to tricks. Well the trick I came up with is to make flashcards not just for the whole word but also isolating the kanji so the rest of the word has kana. So for words whose kanji think will give me trouble or whose kanji reading I just want more practice with I'm making extra cards in my SRS deck. This also makes me practice these problematic words a little more too. Hope this helps. Only thought of it tonight. Gonna switch to my computer to copy and paste a couple examples. *edit* side 1 side 2 side 3 投稿 とうこう contribution; submission とう稿 とうこう &nb sp; contribution; submission 投こう とうこう &nb sp; contribution; submission Another word whose kanji I just learned... 津波 つなみ &nb sp; tsunami; tidal wave 津なみ つなみ tsunami; tidal wave The card layout is slightly more elaborate but this is clearer. I'm finding, and I'm hoping it's real, that the kanji sound sticks in my head better when I study the kanji in isolation in a word instead of as a whole. Edited by kraemder on 24 March 2014 at 6:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1316 of 1702 27 March 2014 at 8:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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I got the Japanese net tv box. It is allegedly HD tv but really doesn't look HD to me although it's possible that
if I increased the bandwidth of my internet it would help. I recall subscribing to an internet baseball channel and I had a similar problem in that the quality was kind of bad. It actually fluctuated a lot while this is more stable. But it's good enough that I want to keep it regardless. I had the Japanese channel on satellite a while back and it was just one channel and more expensive. This one is 36 channels or so and that helps a lot. Including some 24 hour news channels. I am really liking the news channels because they almost have Japanese subs on them. The announcer reads the text and a little more but it's really helpful for practicing kanji. I can understand the gist of the news really well most of the time. I've read that N1 people aren't confident that they understand the news but I find that hard to believe. It doesn't seem that bad although I have lots of room for improvement I don't feel hopeless by any means. I really like the commercials too. All of this Japanese media also encourages you to study and I find it feels more immersive than watching anime or jdrama. It's motivating me to study. Then again, I just got it. Very late. I'm gonna be sleep deprived tomorrow. Damn. Oh adding the extra cards to my deck to isolate the kanji and also some words to test myself on just kana seems like a good idea still. Going back and adding the extra cards was a pain and there's more I want to do it for but hopefully it will not be too bad going forward. I was also thinking of using my JFlash app on my iPhone for vocab instead of SRS because I kind of hate SRS. But then I wouldn't be able to so this kanji isolation thing I'm trying out now. So that's where I'm at right now. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1317 of 1702 27 March 2014 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm on my lunch break at work doing flashcards. And I'm thinking about what I don't like about the SRS thing. I
think part of it is that it really only tests you on the cards you stink at. So it can be hard. And it gets painful even. I didn't depend on flashcards with other languages but I did use a program on my computer some I think called transparent languages and their system was more of a leitner approach that mixed up hard cards with easy cards. This made it more enjoyable I think. I'm using the JFlash app on my phone and I'm thinking I'm gonna try just using it instead of SRS for a bit. It is all leitner and does the whole 5 card piles thing so can see how many cards are in each pile and that is a bit motivating and I really like that I don't have all hard cards to do. And if I miss one I don't feel too bad about it either. Sure it goes down to a lower like but it won't take weeks to get it back up where I want it to be. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4662 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1318 of 1702 27 March 2014 at 11:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
Wow. That sounds really good. I've searched through the European satellite listings looking for Japanese and found nothing. I never considered an internet TV. Do you have to subscribe?
I've posted this before, but it's worth posting again. This is from the JLPT website. It's a self-evaluation so (aiui) they've asked a bunch of people who have passed N1 "can you understand the main points of TV news" and less than 25% answered in the affirmative. So this means you're headed for N1 :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1319 of 1702 28 March 2014 at 1:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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Here's the link. I think I got it off of someone else's log.. http://flashtvbox.com/. It's not cheap but it is cheaper than the satellite dish thing I was doing before. There is a subscription fee although it's included with the device for the 1st year.
Thanks for that survey link. I missed it somehow before.. Yeah I think that's surprising. I suppose that I am headed in the direction of N1 XD. But that is more my attitude right now than my ability. It just doesn't feel out of reach. And I'm going to have this TV running in the background while I study going forward too. I'll get a lot of listening practice. Edited by kraemder on 28 March 2014 at 2:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1320 of 1702 28 March 2014 at 4:02am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well I have an 'up to' 25 meg i-net connection which sounds plenty good. The cable box only needs 2 meg...
[ Flashtvが正常に作動する為の条件 ] 1. HDMI端子の付いたHDTV 2. 2Mbps 以上のインターネットの接続環境(Download speed)こちらで計測出来ます。 3. ルーター So the low res on some of the shows isn't my connection I don't think. The sports shows and drama seem blurrier than most and this cooking show looked pretty good. The sound is plenty good though so I can listen to my heart's content. They sure spam Japanese script across the screen for advertisements and news and well all over. Good practice. It's weird watching shows with Japanese subs. This would include a lot of English programming from America and I think I watched a kdrama too. Well part of it. It was a little sappy so I moved on. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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