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| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4794 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes  Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 377 of 1702 04 June 2012 at 9:13am | IP Logged |
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I found tons of example sentences for almost all grammar points on the Tanos UK site
for JLPT. There are also the awesome Basic/Intermediate/Advanced grammar dictionaries.I though about entering the Tanos JLPT sentences into SRS, but I was already doing the iKnow sentences, as well as other decks, and reading, so I don't know when I'll have the time. At the moment I keep revisiting them and reading and rereading the example sentences. I find I understand better if I read examples first for some time before attempting to read explanations. Ultimately, though, I notice that exposure, tons of it, is the answer to grammar. Reading and listening, in any form such as books/audiobooks and anime/drama/movies, really cements the grammar. That, and writing.I'm not trying to force any production at the moment because I want my language to be natural and native-like, but I shadow a lot and try to write some sentences out. Grammar sticks better doing these two. Shadowing sort of results in unintentional memorization, which helps me internalize the grammar. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 378 of 1702 04 June 2012 at 7:10pm | IP Logged |
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I'm finding the grammar is going better since I'm making myself produce the sentences instead of reading it.
It's not as painful as I feared to do the flashcards either heh. I hope to move on to chapter 2 this weekend. I probably won't do all the exercises in the book.. I'll see. The flashcards are pretty good in themselves. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 379 of 1702 08 June 2012 at 12:34am | IP Logged |
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My flashcard app came out with a new version and an interesting feature - if you're late on your due cards
and still get it right on the 1st try it will give you credit (if you turn this feature on) for getting it right using the actual interval rather than the one that had been setup for the card. I suppose with anki you sort of manually determine the interval for when the card will appear next so it might seem like "so what?" But it's pretty cool for me since the app generally determines the interval for me based on me putting a correct or strong correct response. So I'm curious to see how that'll affect my spaced repetition decks. I had been switching to leitner decks instead but I'm going back to spaced repetition to see how well this works out. Since last weekend I haven't done a whole lot of studying. I did study some vocab some but mostly I just did passive listening and watching anime. And I've gotten some bike riding in (fun! I haven't been on the bike in ages). This weekend my class's Japanese study group is meeting again. It's pretty cool how this class we setup a study group and we've become friends and spend time with each other a lot. I'm looking forward to it. The teacher gave us a packet to do over the summer if we chose (we asked) and I'm wondering if anyone else is doing it or anything else. I know one person who did. I think the rest probably got distracted by real life. I had ignored the packet until yesteday since it's review of stuff we already did and it didn't make sense to review stuff I just crammed for (ie the final). I haven't looked at any of it in a month now though so now is a pretty good time to review. I wouldn't want to actually let it slide so much that I truly forgot stuff. I'll be spending a lot of time on this packet. It's way bigger than anything else he gave us (he meant for it to last the summer I think) but I expect to blow through all of it tomorrow heh. We'll see. I've done part already and it's SO much easier than trying to read Harry Potter or next year's textbook. One thing that's a bit frustrating is how the rest of the class doesn't seem to be to computer savy. They don't use anki or any spaced repetition decks, or know what rikai-sama/chan is or any of the tons of resources there are online. Well a little but not much. The huge one is Rikai-sama. I wish I could get them to use it. It's tons helpful for reading and without reading I don't see how to bridge the gap from high beginner to high intermediate. I suppose it'll still happen just slower maybe. (I know people learned Japanese before Rikia sama but they would have used dictionaries of some sort too). Well onto the packet. I need to blow through the whole thing by Saturday XD. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 380 of 1702 11 June 2012 at 7:37pm | IP Logged |
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Well our meetup was fun. It was just three of us but that's to be expected when it's summer break. We
talked about Japanese some but a lot about personal stuff and I tried to show people how to use Rikai to read Harry potter and other stuff with the iPad. Barnes and noble is good for meeting up except their Internet is a pain. You can't access the app store and it's slow regardless. I don't use my laptop much and it was a little frustrating and I wished we were meeting up at my apartment instead where I have my desktop and all my other fun toys heh. But it would be really out of the way for everyone so a restaurant of some kind is really best. Not sure how often we'll continue to meet over the summer. I'd like if we could agree to study certain stuff so that we could review it together it would be a good motivation to follow through with it and learn better but not surprisingly although people are interested we kind of ended with vague plans on what to study. I don't think RTK is going to happen. I'm kinda thinking it appeals to guys more than girls. The book doesn't have any cute well nothing is cute about RTK and just the opposite one of the major elements is called a crotch lol. Very not cute (but funny). Oh well. People do want to study kanji I think and I was looking at the kanji in mangaland series since I already have the 1st book from a while back anyway. Their approach actually borrows a lot from RTK in that they teach the elements and give them names to help remember kanji and they give a short sentence to help remember how to draw it with the elements... And they give a cartoon picture that sort of looks like the kanji and it's elements. I've had complaints that RTK doesn't give the sounds and that's too important to put off... This gives sounds and vocab. I'd like to do it too since I don't know a lot of the sounds of the kanji, especially the Chinese sounds. I'd like to even go back to review Chinese sounds for basic kanji I've used in class tons. Most of the vocab I've learned to date was just the kun reading and basically a 1 kanji word.. at least if I learned the kanji along with the word. Anyway so if I can convince them, to study this it'd be really good for me too. I'm thinking that I would prefer to learn the sounds in the more traditional order of kanji instead of heisigs order anyway. This series only does the 教育 漢字 but that's still over 1000 so quite a bit to study and tons and tons of vocab if I do that too. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 381 of 1702 12 June 2012 at 12:49am | IP Logged |
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Ok so making a deck for the Kanji in Mangaland series.. I'm wondering how to go about it. Should I split things up or keep them together. IE, for a kanji I could just make it similar to my RTK deck in that side 1 gives the mean, (and then you draw the kanji assuming you remember it) and then side 2 shows the kanji, and then side three shows your story (and I'd give the on and kun readings here too). The book gives several vocabulary words using this kanji though. Would I want to include them as part of the card? I could test the kanji as above then make side 4 the vocab word (kanji only) and then side 5 would have the hirigana and English for all the vocab. This would mean a lot of vocab on a single card though. I'm just looking looking at the 1st kanji イチ or 一 and it gives 7 vocab words. This seems like too much to test on a single card to me? Maybe it'd be better to make two decks for the book, one for drawing the kanji and drilling its readings and another for vocab using that kanji.
White Rabbit Japan sells a few sets of kanji cards and they cram all of the above onto each card and they're pretty popular flashcards. Does it work well? Ugh. It'd be a a bit of time and effort to make the cards so I'd rather do it the way that's best for me the 1st time. Just an edit here. I will say that I'm making this deck so that other people studying kanji in the class can use it too since they'll need to learn to draw the kanji.. I'm guessing I'll know how to draw most if not all of the 教育漢字 already (there's a lot of 常用漢字 that I need to review and haven't sunk in from RTK for me but I think they're in the 2nd 1000 less used kanjis). But how well does putting six vocab words on a card work?? Or do people just test themselves to see if they know the pronunciation of the kanji and let it go at that? Edited by kraemder on 12 June 2012 at 12:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5979 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 382 of 1702 12 June 2012 at 9:20am | IP Logged |
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I would go for one card per vocab word, and test both recognition and production.
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 383 of 1702 13 June 2012 at 2:34am | IP Logged |
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It sounds like you'd skip testing the kanji per se and just do a vocabulary deck? I tried it with the sound
only and didn't like it. There's too many sounds for some kanji, more than 3 and I had issues remembering sounds even if I really knew them already. Silly. So I made the deck but with all the vocabulary included. Just like the white rabbit cards I guess. I may make a separate deck for the vocabulary. If I can look at a word and say its pronunciation at least for the kanji that I'm testing then ill give a correct response. It makes more sense how they set up the cards having tried it out some now. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 384 of 1702 13 June 2012 at 5:41am | IP Logged |
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The 2nd book in the Kanji in Mangaland series arrived today. It's noticeably thicker than the 1st one. I like the series and I think the authors are really creative. I'm a little concerned how their method of learning kanji might confuse me though. As I said they borrow a lot from RTK which is a really good thing but at the same time it's different. They have their own names for the primitives - IE slender legs instead of human legs. I just cracked the 2nd volume and at the beginning they introduce the chapter's primitives and there staring at me was the notorious "crotch" from RTK. It's been renamed "the director's chair." heh. There goes all my stories. And if I'm not careful these books might end up confusing me a bit.
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