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| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5532 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 1553 of 1702 31 December 2014 at 2:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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From what I've heard that is true about Chinese. Korean is similar as well in that aspect
that the vast majority of characters only have one reading. In Korean, unlike Japanese, only the Sino-Korean roots are readings for Chinese characters, not the native Korean roots. That said, Korean doesn't really utilize Chinese characters all that much nowadays anyway. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4346 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 1554 of 1702 31 December 2014 at 2:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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My experience with Mandarin is fairly limited, but from what I've seen so far, most of the time a
character has just one really common reading. Although there are exceptions (like 的 in 目的, two possible readings of 便 in 便宜...). It's definitely way more "stable" than in Japanese. Edit: Ninja'd. Edited by Ezy Ryder on 31 December 2014 at 2:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4662 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1555 of 1702 31 December 2014 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
The drop-off rate was quite high though wasn't it?
I admit that this does sound good. There is a "but" however, in that you need over double the number of characters to read a newspaper. It'll be interesting to follow you in 2015. Good luck! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5532 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 1556 of 1702 31 December 2014 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Plus not only would you need to greatly increase your character count, the grammar is vastly
different in Chinese. From what I've heard (I've not really studied it myself) the word order is actually closer to English word order than it is to that of Japanese and Korean. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1557 of 1702 01 January 2015 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Happy New Year! And this is my first official 2015 TAC post. I did already post my goals for this year - it's
to focus on Japanese and make as much progress as I can. I don't want to get distracted by wanderlust if I can help it. At least not so much that it interferes with Japanese. Last year I got burned out and took up Korean instead for a while and no regrets - it was fun and interesting - but this year I want to be about Japanese. I'm also looking to learn how to use Anki more effectively and perhaps stop using Flashcards Deluxe. This morning I finally got a deck going to my satisfaction. It's a grammar deck with 4 fields and includes pictures and audio using the TTS plugin. I still haven't been able to get Anki to import my old decks from FCD - or decks I make using a Spreadsheet program, but at least I can make good decks using the built in editor on my mac. Now that I'm actually able to make decks, I'll probably figure out most of the other tricks and whatnot to customizing decks as I go. やっと！ I'm still getting used to the mac. I think I can setup a dual boot with Windows on this but haven't gotten that to work yet - when I boot to windows it just won't recognize my keyboard or mouse so it won't install windows. Still working on that but not a big deal since I wouldn't use Windows except when I have to anyway. Not as related but I'm also working on getting into shape and losing a few lbs. Nothing too extreme - I'm only about 10 lbs overweight. But losing those pounds is a lot of work! I'm trying to workout 3 days and then do a day off. I'm running 6.5 miles (varies a little, sometimes up to 10) and trying to get a bit of weights in too. It's hard to stay consistent with that when I have work and class but with just work it's not too bad. I'm signed up for an easy Japanese class this spring but since it's just review I think I can keep with the exercise and do the Japanese and anki etc. If I'm on top of my exercising I do feel like I focus better on my reviews and I also drink less beer which clearly equals better studying. My biggest goals right now are just staying on top of Anki. I have three decks - Core 6k, RTK 1 + 3, and my custom Grammar production deck. In addition I watch anime daily. I alternate between watching with and without subs and I don't keep track of this or consider it part of studying - it's just something I do to relax. I'd like to read more too. I read in another log about how this lady had a goal to read 48 books in English last year without using a dictionary and she achieved it. I do think using a dictionary is really helpful but she did later say that she goes back later to learn some of the words but that she feels it's important to immerse yourself in the language and that using a dictionary (well a bilingual one) hurts that. I think that makes some sense. It definitely slows you down too I think. In other languages, I've often read the first 1/4 or 1/2 of a book using a dictionary as much as possible and then just thrown my hands up in the air wanting to finish it so I stopped looking up words just in order to finish the book. Which got me to finish the book which I wouldn't have done otherwise. So I might try that with Japanese. I get so upset that I can't 'hear' the words in my head due to the kanji that I've never been able to do this with Japanese. I think I would have to do it with a relatively easy book. I might even do it with (bleh) Harry Potter. Just because it's the only Japanese book I have access to that I've read in English so not looking up words in a dictionary won't hurt me much at all. Manga would not be an issue either. Pictures give you the general idea anyway. So I think I"ll get through the manga I bought a while back but haven't read and finish this one Harry Potter book.. then try this with a real Japanese book whose story I haven't read in English. I'm currently not making vocabulary decks from stuff I read. Just using Core 6k/10k. This is in part because I don't know how to make good vocabulary decks using Rikai-sama and import the sound and whatnot into Anki properly, although I think I have an idea now of how to do it. But since I'm thinking got copying this idea of not using a dictionary, at least for the initial read, this isn't a bad thing. Edited by kraemder on 03 January 2015 at 10:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1558 of 1702 03 January 2015 at 2:59am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well I'm breaking down and downloading a nice Chinese deck for anki. It looks like a really sweet deck.
Here's a screen shot... Screen Shot of the Deck details Hope that works.. I think it's awesome that the cards can include both the traditional and simplified versions of the kanji. It looks like really large deck similar to the core for Japanese. I'm starting off at 15 cards a day but I may reduce that if cards don't stick well. I'm not looking to cut into my Japanese review time just to satisfy my curiosity. Right now I'm enjoying an anime called Night Raid 1931 and it includes a lot of Chinese which is kind of motivating my interest. It also includes some German which is funny. It's mostly understandable but if you have heard Japanese voice actors speak English, well, that's what it sounds like. I suspect the Chinese isn't so good either but I can't criticize it with my knowledge. It sounds kind of slow is all I can say. Good anime though. Edited by kraemder on 03 January 2015 at 4:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1559 of 1702 03 January 2015 at 5:04am | IP Logged | |||||
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I altered the Chinese deck so it does production as well as recognition (which it already did). Something
that would have been easy in Flashcards Deluxe but I had no idea how to do in Anki until I did it. Anyway, I think Anki automatically sees the new cards as 'siblings' so it won't test them the same day. My Japanese deck tests both ways and Anki does this with siblings so it's weird but I get retested on the same cards the next day just in a different direction. I like it but sometimes I wonder if I'm not just doing the exact same reviews as yesterday. I think it'll be really helpful for Chinese where I'm a total noob so words are not going to stick very well. It essentially is like halving your new cards for the next day. Since you're adding the same words just testing in a different direction. As such, I've upped my Japanese deck to 75 new cards a day to counter this. I'll leave the Chinese deck at 15 new cards however. I'm kind of excited about really using Anki. I still want to figure out how to properly import cards (IE the my Flashcards deluxe decks I've made - especially the Korean ones). I am going to cut way back on Korean but I don't want to cut it out completely. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1560 of 1702 03 January 2015 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I put the new cards down to 50 on my Japanese Core deck. Even if the cards are the same vocab in a
different direction, they're still reviews. I'm also trying to make myself read/shadow the example sentence out loud and this is slowing my reviews down a lot. I also bought two Japanese audio books. Someone posted a link to the website febe.jp. This person was looking for better sites for audio books but I was pretty impressed this one. There may well be better ones out there. This one may go belly up soon for all I know. I got two books though. Both seem to be targeted towards middle school age kind of. One's about a girl who wants to be the manager of the baseball club at school and the other.. is about Pirates. Or something. Both narrators are quite good and easy to understand. They seem to be a good level for me. I am getting the gist of everything so far but there's unknown words mixed in too so I'll want to re-listen again to challenge myself to understand more. Audio books really helped me with other languages so I hope these'll do the same. I'm actually not unhappy with my Japanese level however. I am watching anime and for sure I don't understand it all but comparing it to German and Spanish I think Japanese is doing nicely now. There's a few reasons why I think audiobooks are awesome. One is that I can listen while I clean or do other stuff. I have procrastinated cleaning so much that this in itself makes it worth the purchase. And I think that because there are no visuals you can focus more on the words. Sure the visuals can give you a context to help but they can also be a crutch too. You just start watching the show and picking up on all that's going on not through language any other way possible. At least I've noticed that myself. You get the effect of subtitles without their even being there. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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