zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian
| Message 689 of 758 06 May 2013 at 6:40pm | IP Logged |
I'm not sure, but I think one might mean "injure" and one means "hurt," as in to cause pain rather than injury.
But I could be totally wrong. How were they translated in Russian?
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Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5167 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian
| Message 690 of 758 06 May 2013 at 6:52pm | IP Logged |
I think the first is rather "to offend", given the further examples. They were translated as мне обидно and мне больно (I don't want to spoil the fun for you, btw =D).
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zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian
| Message 691 of 758 06 May 2013 at 7:11pm | IP Logged |
Ohh, so one is to hurt physically and one is to hurt emotionally? I know mtkiva is for physical pain.
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Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5167 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian
| Message 692 of 758 07 May 2013 at 6:06pm | IP Logged |
So, i'm done with lesson VII! I could follow the explanations on IV conjugation verbs a bit more closely, and I could review the I and II persons endings (forms such as მიყვარხარ and ვუყვარვარ). I also read about the old -ან form that got replaced in spoken language because it sounded as if they were placing too much emphasis on the real object. So, if I got ir right, they used to say "მიყვარან" for "I love them" but now it's just...მიყვართ??!!
As for EGS, I also finished lesson 27's exercises. No more passives!! Now I'm going for II conjugation verbs, and I hope to find loads of useful vocabulary at that lesson.
I feel like I start to get familiarized with the grammar. I even long for the lessons on Hewitt and Aronson, which covered topics like inversion and perfect screeve extensively! Maybe I'll do some review later, just for consolidating the grammar explanations.
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zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian
| Message 693 of 758 07 May 2013 at 6:31pm | IP Logged |
I love them=მიყვარს. You put the თ on the end if the subject is third person plural, not
the object. So for example, "they love him/them"=უყვართ.
It's very confusing!
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zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5259 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian
| Message 694 of 758 07 May 2013 at 6:37pm | IP Logged |
By the way, check out pg. 335 in Aronson. It's very helpful.
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Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5167 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian
| Message 695 of 758 07 May 2013 at 10:46pm | IP Logged |
Thanks, it's clear now.
I keep doing my bilingual papiamento-georgian project and it seems my Georgian starts to land off! I'm going directly to the Georgian text. At the first paragraph I read the text previously in Portuguese, but at the second one I felt like starting right away from the Georgian. I understood some words from the context and I looked up a few others. I'm starting to get the hang of the sentence and that's an important step. I remember how it happened for me with German, that has a unique word order which sometimes reminds me of Georgian, and I'm aware of how difficult it still is for Russian, which has cases but they are actually harder than in Georgian.
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Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5167 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian
| Message 696 of 758 08 May 2013 at 6:09pm | IP Logged |
I just read a great explanation on how the future of III conjugation group verbs is derived from a causative verb. Thanks, Tschenkéli, wherever you are now!
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