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Марк
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 Message 817 of 1511
19 August 2013 at 1:00pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
I wouldn't say that so quickly, to me the southern Russian г sounds more
like h than x
does.

That happens because your Germanic ears do not notice whether a consonant is voiced or
voiceless. Their г is voiced, while [h] is a voiceless sound.
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 Message 818 of 1511
19 August 2013 at 1:33pm | IP Logged 
Uhhh.... Dutch distinguishes between voiced and voiceless /x/. To me their /g/ sounds
less fricative than /x/, and more like an h than /x/.

Edited by tarvos on 19 August 2013 at 1:37pm

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Марк
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 Message 819 of 1511
19 August 2013 at 2:14pm | IP Logged 
There are two variants of g there. In Southern Russia they pronounce it mostly as a
voiced [x], but in Ukraine in some parts of Russia they pronounce it as a voiced [h].
This however depends on the position of the g.
Russians do not hear the difference between [h] and [x] but they can always hear the
difference between voiced and voiceless consonants.
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 Message 820 of 1511
19 August 2013 at 2:28pm | IP Logged 
Our h is voiced too (Dutch h)

Edited by tarvos on 19 August 2013 at 2:28pm

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Марк
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 Message 821 of 1511
19 August 2013 at 2:40pm | IP Logged 
I see. But I used the h sympol because in IPA it is used for the voiceless sound.
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 Message 822 of 1511
19 August 2013 at 3:18pm | IP Logged 
that's an allophone of the voiced sound in Dutch
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 Message 823 of 1511
19 August 2013 at 6:51pm | IP Logged 
I am putting this log on hold for some days temporarily while I sort out urgent thesis
life shit which are taking its toll on me right now.

Languages can wait. If I find a pocket of free time I will continue to upload parts of
the travelogue, but the coming two weeks will be a part of my continuous low activity.
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 Message 824 of 1511
21 August 2013 at 8:53pm | IP Logged 
La catastrophe a été avertie... pour l'instant. Il me reste qu'y attendre... ça fait pas
peur :) si tout va bien, on me donnera mon diplôme bientôt et je serai MSc :)

On attend avec impatience les résultats finaux...


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