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tarvos
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 Message 761 of 1511
10 July 2013 at 9:30am | IP Logged 
Completing just a textbook would take me to intermediate at best. In fact, in my
opinion there should be a level between intermediate and basic fluency here at HTLAL -
in my opinion Romanian is a language I would say I speak, but am not fluent in - same
for Russian. If I am intermediate then I haven't mastered all of the basic grammatical
rules - I've seen most of them though, and I can apply the simpler ones very well.

In fact usually the achievements are related to something such as "I have read an
actual novel with ease", or "I've done a presentation in that language". It means I
should be able to consume native materials with ease, although at Basic Fluency I will
still have gaps in understanding, and at times those gaps may even be significant, but
not too often.

In Romanian for example, I can present a topic of my choice in 10 minutes and not do it
awkwardly given some preparation. That's a typical B-level skill. If I can hold such
presentations then I feel I speak the language because it requires a definite sort of
ability to hold a structured monologue in a language.

My approach with Chinese would not be too dissimilar from how I attacked any of the
others. I would focus on the same things; speaking and listening would get more initial
priority. The only thing that complicates life somewhat is reading (not writing because
I would just use the pinyin input; handwriting Chinese... not really useful since I
don't send letters off all that much). So the focus would be on making sure I can
recognise a whole lot of Hanzi and not mix them up. That would take a special approach.

Furthermore I would spend some additional time mastering the tones. I have listened to
them to get an idea of how it works, but it means I will spend extra time at the
beginning mastering the tonal aspect of Chinese, apart from improving those phonemes I
know and learning the unknown phonemes of Chinese (there are a few).
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 Message 762 of 1511
13 July 2013 at 9:22am | IP Logged 
A short update concerning my language activities the past couple days:

Not much has been going on. I have spoken tidbits of Russian, and I have completed unit
7 of the Routledge course textbook - I have been more busy with other pressing errands.
Actually what I have been doing consists of preparing my Russian trip. I leave next
week Sunday (the 21st of July that is), and for this journey of (dare I say it) pretty
epic proportions I needed two visas, one of which I now have, and one of which I am in
the process of obtaining.

For all you who wonder:

My journey is as follows:

The Hague - Hannover - Moscow - Tomsk - Novosibirsk - Irkutsk (&Lake Baikal) -
Vladivostok - Seoul - Amsterdam, where the last two legs are by plane and Seoul is a
stop on my flight with a layover of about 20 hours. Hannover is also a train change of
about 3 hours and a bit.
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 Message 763 of 1511
14 July 2013 at 5:11pm | IP Logged 
Today a note about flies.

It has come to my attention that the expression "wouldn't hurt a fly" is actually a
misnomer. My (German) friend was complaining about the flies in her garden on this fine
day, and I asked if she had killed any of them. She said no, flies don't do anything,
to which I answered "but what if it was a mosquito?" - which prompted a search and it
turns out that in English the use of the word "fly" can be extended to include the
bloodsucking monstrosities (although it is not the general sense). The reason for this
is that the order Diptera (two-winged animals) is also termed "flies" in English,
whereas in German (and in Dutch) Fliege and vliegen are only used for sub-categories of
the Diptera (in Dutch they are termed "tweevleugeligen". My assumption is that in
German this is similar.)

In Dutch, flies and mosquitoes (vliegen en muggen) definitely belong to separate sub-
orders of the diptera order, whereas in English the name for flies and diptera are
synonymous (the Wiki leads its article concerning diptera with "flies" and not
"diptera", whereas the Dutch one refers to the the "diptera" and flies constitute a
separate subarticle).

However, this gives a new meaning to the expression "I wouldn't hurt a fly", because by
the English interpretation, it would exclude those people who are generally peaceful
but make exceptions for the bloodsucking cousins, and someone who would not hurt a fly
would be very peaceful, even more than any regular person making the claim, so as to
let the mosquitos that drain our blood live.

In Dutch the expression runs "ik zou nog geen vlieg kwaad doen" (lit. I would even (to-
)no fly evil do), which is thus more accurate as it definitely allows for mosquito-
killing.

The same for the German expression "Ich würde keiner Fliege was zuleide tun".

Subtle differences between English and German (and Dutch)...


Edited by tarvos on 14 July 2013 at 5:13pm

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 Message 764 of 1511
16 July 2013 at 5:11pm | IP Logged 
In Portuguese we say "Ele é incapaz de fazer mal a uma mosca". That definitely excludes mosquitos/pernilongos from the idiom, as in Dutch.
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 Message 765 of 1511
16 July 2013 at 10:37pm | IP Logged 
Today I have finally managed to get some language study in - it's been on and off over
the past days and will be over the coming months as my life is thrown into turmoil and
the rules of the game will certainly change, develop and hopefully end up better than
they are now.

I have managed to cover up until lesson 86 of the Routledge course and am halfway lesson
87. My goal is to complete the book before I leave for Russia. I will take l'Hébreu with
me and work on that during some long train journeys. Then once I return, I can start
finishing the active wave of le Roumain and L'Hébreu. And hopefully by that time I will
speak more or less conversational Hebrew as well (in as far as I do not right now).


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 Message 766 of 1511
16 July 2013 at 11:01pm | IP Logged 
I've got very little done in the past week, too much partying being the culprit. I hope
everything improves for you for the better..I wouldn't feel bad about missing a few days
here and there if I were you, considering the amount of GREAT progress you've made over
the past year, keep it up mate!
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tarvos
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 Message 767 of 1511
17 July 2013 at 1:00pm | IP Logged 
I'm not worried about dialling my languages back a bit... I've had to drop my Icelandic
studies for a while now. Once I am back and have completed my Hebrew then Icelandic can
return to the fold. I have a sustained interest in keeping Romanian as an important
language - it's easy, I like it, and I plan to fiddle around with Romanian cuisine.

By the way, once I am back, I will probably return to finish the Assimils for Romanian
and Hebrew - and start a new project (I consider Icelandic a side-project; I don't
expect to become fluent in it soon, I will mark it as an intermediate language unless I
get the chance to tourist Iceland again in the future or live there). I would be
satisfied with B1's in Breton and Icelandic.

So when I return, I can already announce the next language on my list after Romanian
and Hebrew, and the next language (so I will study Icelandic concomitantly with another
language - two is definitely the max for new languages) will be...

Portuguese!

The European variant.
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 Message 768 of 1511
17 July 2013 at 3:45pm | IP Logged 
Pity :P Can't help you on that


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