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mrwarper
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 Message 209 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 5:12pm | IP Logged 
That's an absurd debate. If you're so certain how something works, say how it does, so those certainly-it-doesn't types can explain why, or alternatively how it does instead. It obviously works for both sides.

Edited by mrwarper on 12 July 2012 at 5:13pm

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 Message 210 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 9:04pm | IP Logged 
I never said anything to the contrary. It can work for him all he likes, but this is my
thread and my opinions and he can either discuss them without the one-line responses or
he's allowed to not post in my thread. (My reasons were explained in that post he
quoted). I ain't got nothing to respond to.

Plus, if he wants to give the impressions that things are DIFFICULT and HARD and you
must LABOUR FOR HOURS in a concentration camp to understand them, that's his problem -
my attitude is that everything can be solved given enough time. And since plenty of
people have learned foreign languages to fluency, including me, I don't have any reason
to doubt I can't, and I don't have much more inclination to believe it's so impossible
for everybody else, either.

Et maintenant, on va retourner sur le sujet qui concerne ce log ici; l'apprentissage
des langues étrangères.

J'ai reçu mes notes au examen B1.1 que j'ai passé le mardi 3ème juillet. Ça a marché
mieux que j'ai espéré; j'ai bel et bien réussi, avec un note de 17,6 sur 20!!!!

La note est compris selon les categories ci-dessous:

Compréhension orale: 19,5/25
Compréhension écrit: 22/25
Production écrit: 23/25
Production orale: 23,5/25

Ça fait: 17.6/20 pour note moyenne.

Pas mal, hein?

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Марк
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 Message 211 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 9:10pm | IP Logged 
Russian word formation, especially verbal prefixes, has very little logic. One and the
same prefix can have many meanings, even attached to the one and the same verb:
прослушать курс лекций, прослушать то, что только что сказали. Забить гвоздь - забить
камнями и т. д. Generally, the meaning cannot be predicted from the word's morphemes.
Changes of morphemes are often morphological, not phonological: рука -
ручной, а не рукной.
Russian is not very difficult, it can be studied to a high level, but it's not that easy
either.


Edited by Марк on 12 July 2012 at 10:15pm

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 Message 212 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 9:23pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
Russian word formation, especially verbal prefixes, has very little
logic. One and the
same prefix can have many meanings, even attached to the one and the same verb:
прослушать курс лекций, прослушать то, что только что сказали. Забить гвоздь - забить
камнями и т. д. Changes of morphemes are often morphological, not phonological: рука -
ручной, а не рукной.
Russian is not very difficult, but it's not that easy either.
The statement "Russian is easy" contrasts with multiple tarvos's lexical and grammar
mistakes.


All right, I'll go cry in a corner because mean old Mark judged my Russian to be
IMPERFECT (aspect). Seriously? What the hell is your goal? If you want to be irritating
and drain people's confidence by pointing out mistakes incessantly (which I did not ask
you to do, by the way - you should be happy I let you and don't flip you off for doing
for giving me unsolicited advice I don't actually want or need).

I am perfectly aware my Russian is flawed, thank you very much. That won't stop me from
being confident of my success. If it's your goal to discourage people from learning
Russian, you're doing a good job. Learning Russian isn't all about knowing "the facts".
Success is about your attitude, and if I decline a noun improperly or use a wrong word;
shit happens. I'll ask someone to correct me if I am really nitpicky about the details.
If you want to help someone speak Russian, here's an idea for you: try politely
pointing out people's mistakes next time and correct them, so that I actually
understand the mistake, instead of taking a red pen and saying "BUT UR WRONG LOL U MAKE
MISTAKES IT CANNOT BE EASY IF YOU MAKE MISTAKES".

I made mistakes in my French exam too, does that mean I should think the exam was hard?
No, I found it easy, despite me making mistakes. Why? Because a minute grammar mistake
or a wrong tense conjugation isn't the end of the world. If it's egregious, people tell
you and you laugh about it and you move on. If it's not, it's not, and you move on
anyway. Is that so hard to get?


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 Message 213 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 9:32pm | IP Logged 
You gave your arguments why Russian is so logical and easy. I explained why I think some
of them were not correct.
Russian is just a language, which is not harder or easier than other languages.

Edited by Марк on 12 July 2012 at 10:10pm

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 Message 214 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 9:38pm | IP Logged 
That's correct, but all of them are logical and easy. Also, that's not what you said,
furthermore, no one cares about the details.

Edited by tarvos on 12 July 2012 at 9:38pm

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 Message 215 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 9:40pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
RU: Хорошо бы сделал, если я бы концентрировался на учёбе
русского языка.
Однако, я сделал к 77ому уроку в Ассимиле. У меня сейчас нет шанса упражнать с
настоящими русскими людями. Мне кажется, что путешествия в России будут полезные,
поэтому я считаю поехать в Россию в близком будушем. Также, мне надо закончить мои
другие учебники о русском языке - я ничего не сделал с моря дней. Я должен говорить,
что эти книги скучны мне.

Всё-таки, я уверен что хоть, я закончу Ассимилом. Может, в Августе, я буду учить мои
другие книги и, хоть закончить Teach Yourself.


Хорошо бы сделал
There must be a subject. Было бы хорошо,
если я бы концентрировался на учёбе русского языка.
если бы я сконцентрировался (a perfective verb is needed here, better to say
сосредоточиться). "на учебе русского языка" means that the Russian language learns
something, на изучении русского языка or на русском языке.
Однако, я сделал к 77ому уроку в Ассимиле.
Однако is a conjunction, like "but", so no comma. сделать, as most perfective
transitive verbs, has the strong government, so a direct object is needed. я сделал всё
not к, but до семьдесят седьмого урока в Ассимиле.


Edited by Марк on 12 July 2012 at 9:48pm

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Марк
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 Message 216 of 1511
12 July 2012 at 10:02pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
That's correct, but all of them are logical and easy. Also, that's not
what you said,
furthermore, no one cares about the details.

What did I say?
I care about the detailes.


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