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 Message 225 of 1511
19 July 2012 at 1:32am | IP Logged 
Oh la la, c'est après minuit et j'ai quand même trouvé l'esprit pour écrire un petit
message ici. Oh la la!

C'est confirmé - je vais à Bretagne pour six jours (22 jusqu'à 27 juillet). J'ai
réservé une chambre dans un hotel à Brest. J'ai aussi remarqué qu il y aura des
panneaux bilingues - en français et breton. Il faudra que j'apprenne un peu de breton,
mais le vrai apprentissage aura lieu plus tard - j'en ai pas le temps.

Mon édition de Sciences et Vie (c'est une magazine scientifique française) a aussi
arrivé en bon état, et ce qui m'a surpris est que je comprends environ 95% des
articles. Je suis un peu épuise maintenant, alors mes exploits ici peuvent avoir l'air
dérangé ou mauvais; mon cerveau ne fonctionne plus optimale. Mais en fait la vraie
victoire c'est que je peux lire une magazine comme ça, en traitant des sujets
difficiles, et que ça ne pose aucun problème pour ma compréhension. Ça, c'était le but,
et je crois que j'y ai réussi.


SV: Jag här också gjort en ordlista åt kapitel två från FSI. Jag tyckar om lära
svenska, men jag tror också att jag ska nu sova och inte mera skriva. Jag tyckar mycket
om lära svenska och jag har lust att tala mera, men jag vet inte, vär jag kan finnas
männar med som att tala svenska.

At lesson 84, Assimil, 2nd wave, still on schedule.

Edited by tarvos on 21 July 2012 at 10:20am

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 Message 226 of 1511
21 July 2012 at 8:50am | IP Logged 
What is this "Swedish" thing you speak of? ;)

I'm only able to understand snippets of your log--the ones in languages I semi-know--but I, too, am impressed
by its consistency and depth. I wish I could steal some of your motivation--again, молодец!

And, I agree with both of you. Russian IS a difficult language, and many, many mistakes are made in the learning
of it, but there is nothing to do but keep moving forward and laugh off any errors that may occur. There are
some real bozos in my university class here that have learned Russian to quite a high level. And if persons of that
low mind--by "low mind" I mean kids that never do their homework and are only interested in going to clubs and
bars--can speak Russian as cleanly as they do, I'm confident yours will be pristine or close to it in time.

:)


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 Message 227 of 1511
21 July 2012 at 10:27am | IP Logged 
I prefer TL writing because it allows me to mentally exercise and get used to forming
constructions in that language. So if I write about my French exploits, I do it in
French. For Russian - in Russian, etc.

I can VKontakte chat in Russian, albeit with mistakes, so I'm satisfied with the progress
I've made on reading and writing, but listening and speaking is something I will need to
pay attention to.
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 Message 228 of 1511
22 July 2012 at 12:10am | IP Logged 
Ok, mes amis, I will be leaving for Bretagne tomorrow morning before noon. I will come
back on Friday evening, so until then my reports may exist but will predominantly be
short and off my iPod Touch (given that I have WiFi somewhere :)).

I've also decided that I will NOT. RESORT. TO. English. FOR. ANYTHING. Everything I do, I
will do in French.

Another thing I hope to do is pick up Breton learning materials in either English or
French.

I will post an update on the trip somewhere next weekend. Later, guys!
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 Message 229 of 1511
23 July 2012 at 12:09am | IP Logged 
Have arrived in Brest. Seems to be good but dead on a Sunday night.

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 Message 230 of 1511
27 July 2012 at 11:30pm | IP Logged 
Je suis de retour! Si, je suis encore aux Pays-Bas maintenant, et j'ai beaucoup de
choses à raconter; ça est bien passé, comme les brestois disent :)

Ok, j'ai vraiment seulement parlé français pendant les cinq/six journées dont j'ai été
à Brest. Ça veut dire, seulement avec des francophones. Il y avait un cas quand une
jeune
femme m'a répondu en anglais, mais j'ai insisté et j'ai continué en français, bien que
je crois que ça lui a pas plu. Mais enfin je m'en fous, j'étais là afin de pratiquer
mon français, et pas vice versa.

Donc ces six jours de français m'ont appris quelques choses:

1) J'ai besoin de pratiquer encore plus. C'est peut-être évident mais je le remarque
néanmoins parce que il y a encore des lacunes dans ma vocabulaire, et surtout dans ma
compréhension
2) S'il y a une chance de parler pour plus que deux/trois minutes, donc il s'agit de
plus qu'un conversation autour le temps, les achats, des commandes dans un restaurant,
etc, je pourrais parler mieux. Souvent, il m'est arrivé d'être compris mais j'ai commis
des erreurs ou je n'ai pas compris trois mots assez simples - un petit morceau de
<blablabla> pour un instant où je me concentrais d'ailleurs - mais en demandant une
répétition, tout devait limpide comme l'eau de source. :)
3) Je comprends de plus en plus des histoires et des livres fictives. J'ai lu six (!)
livres pendant ces six jours, cinq par (quelle surprise) Amélie Nothomb et j'ai aussi
lu l'Étranger. J'ai bien aimé ce dernier livre mais je préfère le cynisme de Nothomb.
Il me prendra trop de temps pour raconter toutes les histoires ici - je conseille que
vous lisiez ces bouquins de spectacle vous-même afin de comprendre ma vrai obsession
avec Nothomb.
4) Si je suis fatigué, je parlerai pire. Encore une surprise...
5) Mes capacités me semblaient d'être diminués en écoulant le temps. C’était énervant,
mais il y avait aucune solution qui me convenait, sauf encore pratiquer.


Et plus, last but not least, j'ai achété "Le Breton sans peine" pour des études
prospectives, aussi qu'un grammaire et un dictionnaire pour le supplémenter.

Und daneben hab ich mir auch die Dreigroschenoper von Bertolt Brecht gekäuft, so dass
ich auch im Zukunft mein Deutsche Liesefähigkeit üben kann.

Il y en a plus de raconter, mais je suis très fatigué et j'ai besoin d'un sommeil
assez long :)

Edited by tarvos on 28 July 2012 at 9:14am

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 Message 231 of 1511
28 July 2012 at 12:05am | IP Logged 
Welcome back from France! And congratulations on having spoken only French the whole
time, it's great to read your personal observations about the experience.

One day you've got to explain how you burn through books so fast. I'm beginning to think
you have more eyeballs in your head than a normal person or something. :)
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 Message 232 of 1511
28 July 2012 at 12:37am | IP Logged 
Well, I could tell you, but I'd have to murder you ;)

No, the real reason is that a) these books by Nothomb are incredibly short. They're
maybe 150 pages, 200 pages long in some cases. In other words, there's not much
material to get through, in terms of volume (so 6 books by Nothomb equates to 1000
pages maybe. Okay, you could get three Proust novels for that maybe. But still, there's
not that much to read).

Secondly, Nothomb has a fluid, easy style of writing which makes it very simple to
follow. She does use the passé simple but a lot of her writing is in dialogue format,
which makes the French quite easy to follow even if you don't have a humongous
vocabulary.

Thirdly, I speed read. 150 pages for a book cost me two hours to finish - in French
(Ok, easy French, but then again, Tolkien takes more time for me too). I always have
and always will read books through insanely quickly because that is simply how I read -
I leave out the minor stuff often when reading and am very able to follow the main
points and plot of a story, even if some of the details are fuzzy (and usually
irrelevant). I did this when I was twelve years old and had begun to read English
novels in full. I never took much time to read anything - I'm impatient, and even with
my speed reading I never failed to understand a plotline or story even a single time. I
have gone back and reread some of the books, and discovered a whole world of details
I'd missed out on (Harry Potter was prime here) though. But that has more to do with my
obsessive abilities and less with my speed reading.

And yes, it's incredibly handy. I don't have to spend ages poring over a book to finish
it :)

4) I don't break my head over things I don't know. If I don't, I guess it from context
(works in 90% of cases), or I let it be and continue. Most words don't crop up again so
they weren't important to know usually. If they are showing up all the time I'll
consult a dictionary, but that means I have to see the word every 5 pages or so.

I'm guessing my reading style is extremely different to that of most people, since
almost everyone I know is slower and does it differently. I'm used to 100 pages per
hour for a decently written novel - usually, the older the book, the more ancient the
language, and then I can get bogged down (I had much more problems with the
Silmarillion for example).


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