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 Message 1137 of 3959
20 July 2009 at 4:21pm | IP Logged 
GR: Η τελευταία ζωγραφική στη σειρά έχει το όνομά του από την ελληνικού νομπελίστα Γεώργιος Σεφέρης - αλλά έχω προσπαθήσει να βρει τα αρχικά ποιήματα, και δεν έχει επιτύχει. Βλέπω ότι υπάρχει μια παλιά άνθρωπος που πεíνει κάτι (δηλητήριο!), ένας ναυαγός να κολυμπει που μακριά από το πλοίο (Διόνυσος!) και ένας μαραθωνίος παραστάτης που δολοφονούται στα μέσα της διάρκειας (αλλά θα ήθελα ένα όνομα, παρακαλό - το αίμα δεν είναι αρκετό). Έτσι, αν κάποιος μπορεί να μου πει τι προσποίησει η εικόνα, θα είμαι πολύ χαρούμενος.



The last picture in the series is named after the Greek Nobelprize winner Georgios Seferis, but I have tried in vain to find the original poems that gave me the elements of the painting: an old mand who receives his final cup of poison, a swimmer crawling away from his wrecked ship (Odysseus? - Seferis allegedly had a faible for this mythical figure) and a marathon runner who is murdered most horribly in the middle of the road, - but I would like a name, not just a pool of blood. If anybody can tell me what the source of my painting is then I shall be very grateful. After all, Anya did find Nekrasov for me just from the misquoted name of the poem, and Seferis is a fairly well known author so maybe...


Edited by Iversen on 20 July 2009 at 9:36pm

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 Message 1138 of 3959
20 July 2009 at 6:18pm | IP Logged 
Now You had the chance to practice all of your languages by writing about the poems which correspond to your painings. I felt like walking through a museum and especially enjoyed having a close look at your surrealistic paintings. Even if literature doesn't say almost anything to me, I had my fun with your virtual museum.

Now I am looking forward to reading about your usual topics - such as science - again!

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 Message 1139 of 3959
21 July 2009 at 1:29pm | IP Logged 
NO: Eu conheço um casal Dinamarquês-Português. Ela ainda luta com o Dinamarquês, e seu Português é bastante minimalista (falem ingles). Mas agora eles têm um bebê, e meu comentário a eles foi que terão um intérprete dá sua lavra na família.

Encontrei um dicionário internet Dinamarquês <-> Português, que da muitas propostas sobre cada entrada e não apenas um. É bom que você pode mesmo escolher a mais relevante proposta no contexto atual . Eu vi algo parecido com o Latim e me gosta o principio.


NO: Jeg besøkte København i helgen, og siden søndag har jeg vært opptatt med min reiseklubs hjemmeside, så jeg har ikke hatt tid til mye språkstudier siden fredag. Men her i mitt lunsjpause har jeg læst om de nordiske språk (inspirert av den gjenopplivde norske tråden, og i den forbindelse fant jeg en artikkel om nivået av gjensidig forståelse mellom talere av de nordiske språkene: "Nordiske språk i fortid og nåtid". Undersøkelsens testpersoner var danske, norske og svenske rekrutter, dvs. gutter i 19-årsalderen, og den ble utført i første halvdel av 1970-åra. Siden er det blitt mye nemmere at finne material på de andre språk, men de unge bruker ikke tilbudene - de vil heller lese og høre engelsk enn noget som helst på andre nordiske språk. Det er både dumt og trist.

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I know a Danish-Portuguese couple. She still struggles with Danish, and his Portuguese is quite minimalistic. But now they have had a baby, and my comment to that was that they will have a homebred interpreter in the family. Apart from that I visited Copenhagen this weekend, and since Sunday I have been busy with the homepage of my travel club, so I haven't had time for much language study since Friday - including scientific articles. However here in my lunch break I have been reading about Norwegian (spurred on by the ressuscitated Norwegian thread, and in that connection I found an article about the level of mutual understanding between spreakers of the Nordic languages. But it is from 1970, and since then the willingness to learn (or even try to understand) other Nordic language has been going steadily downhill. Apparently today's youth only care about things in English, which is both sad and stupid..



Edited by Iversen on 22 July 2009 at 2:28pm

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 Message 1140 of 3959
22 July 2009 at 1:17pm | IP Logged 
RO: Am cumparat un zbor de la Copenhaga la Bucureşti într-o lună, cu întoarcere de la Tirana la Hamburg. Ce am de făcut între Bucureşti şi Tirana nu este determinat, ci o şedere în nordul Greciei este luată în considerare. Pentru astă am plecat în căutare de materiale de lectură în limbile română şi greacă (nu albaneză, pentru că eu nu am timp să-mi învăţesc aceasta limbă într-o lună, şi numai am timp să studiez limbile Macedoneană şi Sârbă în mod foarte superficial).

Bine, ceva special s-a întâmplat astăzi în Asia. Fasulye deja ştie, dar poate fi ca pentru alţii ar putea fi o noutate: ceea mai lungă eclipsă de soare secolului a avut loc astăzi! La science.hotnews.ro se poate lege că "Eclipsa va fi vizibila mai intai in golful Khambhat, la nord de Mumbai, iar apoi se va muta in India, Nepal, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Bhutan si China, inainte de a ajunge in Pacific." Lumina a fost stinsă timp de 6 minute şi 39 secunde - de trei ori timpul ce a durat eclipsa precedentă.

În India, a fost destul de acoperit de nori, aşa ca nimeni nu a văzut nimic (şi cel puţin un idiot a dat vina pe oamenii de ştiinţă şi Maoistii pentru vremele rea). Prognoza meteo pentru Shanghai nu a fost prea promiţător, dar au existat oportunităţi mai bune în interiorul ţării. Şi câteva mii insulari din Pacific au avut plăcerea de cea mai bună şi mai lungă parte a eclipsei de soare.

Persoanele care doresc să ştie mai multe despre eclipse în general puteau să studieze subiectul aici - dar atenţie: pagina aceasta este scrisă în limba engleză!

Am găsit şi in cotidianul un travel-blog scris in limba cotidiană: travel.blog.cotidianul.ro

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I have ordered my next tour later this year: from Copenhagen to Bucuresti to Tirana to Hamburg and home, - and maybe I can also squeeze in a bit of Northern Greece. I can't possibly learn Albanian before I leave, and I will also have to content myself with a cursory glance at the Slavic languages of the region, but Romanian and Greek will be my staple diet for the next month or so.

And looking for things to read in these languages there was of course one subject that screamed for attention, - as Fasulye knows, but few others, there was a complete solar eclipse this morning from India across China and out into the Pacific Ocean. For the Indians it wasn't the best time of the year, - the sky was overcast and it was raining (I think it is their monsoon time now). Across China the skys were mostly clear, but it was raining at the coast in Shanghai. And an infinitesimal number of islanders in the Pacific had the chance to see the final and best part of the eclipse. At its longest it lasted 6 minutes and 39 seconds, which is unusually long time for an eclipse - the one that happened last year only lasted 2 minutes something. The most bizarre thing I have read about this eclipse was a passage in the description by BBC of the reactions in an Indian village, where at least one complete idiot blamed the scientist and the maoists for the clouded skies that eclipsed the eclipse. I know that cow dung is used for many things in the Indian country side, but it shouldn't be necessary to fill the void in certain humanoid heads with the stuff.



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 Message 1141 of 3959
22 July 2009 at 5:28pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
And looking for things to read in these languages there was of course one subject that screamed for attention, - as Fasulye knows, but few others, there was a complete solar eclipse this morning from India across China and out into the Pacific Ocean. For the Indians it wasn't the best time of the year, - the sky was overcast and it was raining (I think it is their monsoon time now). Across China the skys were mostly clear, but it was raining at the coast in Shanghai. And an infinitesimal number of islanders in the Pacific had the chance to see the final and best part of the eclipse. At its longest it lasted 6 minutes and 39 seconds, which is unusually long time for an eclipse - the one that happened last year only lasted 2 minutes something. The most bizarre thing I have read about this eclipse was a passage in the description by BBC of the reactions in an Indian village, where at least one complete idiot blamed the scientist and the maoists for the clouded skies that eclipsed the eclipse. I know that cow dung is used for many things in the Indian country side, but it shouldn't be necessary to fill the void in certain humanoid heads with the stuff.


TOPIC OF THE DAY: THE (TOTAL) SOLAR ECLIPSE

I had a look on the Romanian website quoted but it's exhausting for me to try to understand Romanian. I was alerted about this astronomical highlight by a 10 - minutes report on CNN. They showed a huge group of tourists watching the event in China, but the sky was cloudy and the maximum visible was a partial eclipse. Also on the quoted BBC website I had a look, but there were also only photos of a partial eclipse and I ask myself if there is anybody from a distant region of the earth who has been able to watch the totality of the eclipse and could photograph it.

When there was the last total solar eclipse in Side, Turkey (in which year was it?) a group of ca. 10 people of my astronomy club travelled there and were able to make wonderful astrophotos of the totality, the corona and the the whole development of that eclipse.

I am looking forward to what my fellow clubmembers will say about this recent solar eclipse.

Fasulye

Edited by Fasulye on 22 July 2009 at 7:24pm

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 Message 1142 of 3959
22 July 2009 at 7:05pm | IP Logged 
You can have a qualified guess about the most likely places for clear sky and good observations* by looking at the following map (from a Chinese weather satellite and the Weather Channel):



DA: Og så har jeg lært lidt dansk malersprog. Jeg har tidligere nævnt at selv en indfødt dansker kan lære nogle ord ved at se udsendelser om håndværk, og i udsendelsen "Supernabo" skulle altmuligmanden så i dag efterligne fine træsorter på almindelige malede døre i billigt træ. Nu er det jo sådan at træer adskiller sig ved deres årringe-mønstre, dvs. ved deres årer. Derfor hedder kunsten at efterligne årringe "ådring" (udtalt med blødt d). Man lægger nederst et lag laserende farve, for eksempel med "brændt tierra di Siena" blandet med øl (fordi øl indeholder sukker), og dertil bruger man en pensel med adskilte bundter af børster - den kaldes en "årelægger". En anden mulighed er en pensel ved navn en "ådrik". Det jævner man lidt ud med en såkaldt "fordriver", lavet med grævlingehår. Man kan give lidt tekstur med en tredje pensel lavet med hestehår, og så skal farven tørre. Bagefter skal der lægges endnu et lag lasur på, for eksempel med farven "brændt umbra", og den kan man lægge på med en "motler". Og så er en billig dør blevet til en herregårdsdør af mahogni uden at man har plyndret regnskoven. Hurra.

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I have earlier mentioned that you can learn words even in your native language by watching for instance TV programs about different crafts. Danish TV has a series called 'superneighbour', where a professional handyman assists privat house owners with different tasks This time the idea was to transform a common white door into a palatial masterwork of mahagonny. Of course I can't translate this into English, because I have no idea about the names used by Anglophone artisans, but the process is apparently called "graining". However I will mention one funny fact:you need at least two layers of glazing colours, and in the bottom layer you can mix ordinary beer!. When the beer evaporates it leaves a layer of sugar, which makes it easier to imitate the grain of valuable tree - and you can leave one unharmed mahagonny in the rainforest.

* Danish TV has just shown excellent eclipse pictures from the Southern tip of Japan.


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 Message 1143 of 3959
22 July 2009 at 9:36pm | IP Logged 
I have just been listening to a recording of Aramaic spoken in the village of Maalula in Syria, which I mentioned a few days ago. But they admit that the service isn't conducted in Aramaic anymore, and the priests can't read their books in Aramaic - though the spoken language lingers on. It was also mentioned en passant that the Arabs cut out the tongue of those that dared to speak Aramaic - but now a blockbuster with Mel Gibson has apparently revived the interest in this rare and threatened language.

In spite of these gruesome tales it was interesting to see Maalula again, - including the monastery of St. Thekla.

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 Message 1144 of 3959
22 July 2009 at 9:49pm | IP Logged 
My neighbour at 50m is a woman with two kids. She told me that she speaks Aramaic with her kids. I'll ask her to
let write down the words she knows. But by her children, because she says that she can't write her language.
Her place of origin is southeast Turkey, where christians are being pursued or harassed. They live here in
Belgium now.


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