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Iversen
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 Message 697 of 3959
16 April 2009 at 8:38pm | IP Logged 
ENG: Some people like to pluck sentences apart, others don't, and jumping right into an analysis like the one above without having read quite a lot about grammar beforehand can't be easy. Luckily you can learn languages without this kind of activity.

While writing the last part of the analysis I watched one section of an excellent TV series about the Middle ages. There was a main figure who travelled around Europe around 1500, collecting maps for a historical mapmaker in Nuremberg (Nürnberg, Germany) who wanted to make a world map, and who in fact made the first documented globus. And through his eyes we saw different old towns like Venice, Sagres, Bruges, Freiburg and Nuremberg. In between we learned about everything from double accounting in Italy to cathedral building in France. It was a German program from 2008, but strangely enough spoken in English with interviews in other languages, such as Italian and French. I wonder whether it was made in two versions from the start, because in Germany I'm positive it will be served in German.

Unfortunately I forgot to record it from the start, but I am sure that it will appear on other channels - but then the linguistical diversity may be destroyed. This program was television at its best.

NO: Akkurat nå - etter middelalderen - har jeg kastet meg over et program fra NRK 2. Dette er noe om en dame som reiser opp og ned i Norge og besøker familier for å lage mat og handle i butikker med dem. Ikke mye å lære, men de snakker hele tiden (bortsett fra når de ler).

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Right now - after the Middles Ages - I have changed to NRK 2 (Norwegian), where there is a program about a female journalist who has travelled up and down in Norway, visiting families to buy and make food with them. Not exactly solid and nutritious soul food, but they speak without stop except when they laugh. Good for hearing some Norwegian without having to think.


Edited by Iversen on 17 April 2009 at 11:00am

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 Message 698 of 3959
16 April 2009 at 8:59pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
ENG: Some people like to pluck sentences apart, others don't, and jumping right into an analysis like the one above without having read quite a lot about grammar beforehand can't be easy. Luckily you can learn languages without this kind of activity.


Yes, indeed.

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Edited by Fasulye on 16 April 2009 at 9:47pm

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 Message 699 of 3959
16 April 2009 at 11:53pm | IP Logged 
Once again, this thread has inspired me. I think in about a year's time I will
(re)start Latin. I took three years in high school, but I didn't really understand how
to study a language, and thus all I really remember is "sum es est sumus estis
sunt...ero eras erat eramus eratis erunt". My goal will be fluent reading ability,
because I would like to read Thomas Aquinas in Latin. I'm catching up Iversen...
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 Message 700 of 3959
17 April 2009 at 12:32am | IP Logged 
Postea mihi potest explicare quanti angeli in capito acuus saltare possunt. Quantum ego sapio ille erat quaestio ab scholasticis disputata.

Afterwards you can tell me the number of angels who can dance on a pinhead. As far as I know that was one of the things that Medieval scholasticists discussed.

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 Message 701 of 3959
17 April 2009 at 12:39am | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
Postea mihi potest explicare quanti angeli in capito acuus saltare
possunt. Quantum ego sapio ille erat quaestio ab scholasticis disputata.

Afterwards you can tell me the number of angels who can dance on a pinhead. As far as
I know that was one of the things that Medieval scholasticists discussed.


Do you have several years to wait? Perhaps going to the library would be a better
option. I'm notoriously slow!
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 Message 702 of 3959
17 April 2009 at 8:05am | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
ENG: Some people like to pluck sentences apart, others don't, and jumping right into an analysis like the one above without having read quite a lot about grammar beforehand can't be easy. Luckily you can learn languages without this kind of activity.


EN: This grammar book issue has given me some food for thought. If Iversen writes a grammar topic on a university exam level, I shouldn't be surprised, if I find it exhausting to read. I am not an academic anyway. As I do it learning the grammar only from textbooks, I would call this a non-academic approach. It is the common way of doing it at the adult education centres (Volkshochschulen). I have done many language courses there, so my language learning is to some extent a product of these adult education centres. As I have been always interested in grammar, I now see that my grammar learning is a bit limited. My conclusion is to take a current Turkish grammar topic explained in "Güle Güle" and at least read the background knowledge about it in my Turkish grammar book. As I have never really studied grammar books, I must take small steps to make an improvement.

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Edited by Fasulye on 17 April 2009 at 8:10am

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 Message 703 of 3959
17 April 2009 at 10:13am | IP Logged 
Fasulye wrote:
.. As I have never really studied grammar books, I must take small steps to make an improvement.


Maybe not,- so far you have had success with language learning without formal studies of grammar books, and as far as I can understand you haven't got problems with the Turkish grammar, only with 'getting to think' in Turkish - and formal grammar studies won't help you with that.

My mission with the analysis of the two Italian sentences was 1) to have fun, 2) to show the readers how intricate the grammatical structures of fairly commonplace sentences in a perfectly normal European language can be. It is really a miracle that anybody can learn any language when they are so complicated.

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 Message 704 of 3959
17 April 2009 at 10:14am | IP Logged 
Recht wrote:
Iversen wrote:
Postea mihi potest explicare quanti angeli in capito acuus saltare
possunt. Quantum ego sapio ille erat quaestio ab scholasticis disputata.

Afterwards you can tell me the number of angels who can dance on a pinhead. As far as
I know that was one of the things that Medieval scholasticists discussed.


Do you have several years to wait? Perhaps going to the library would be a better
option. I'm notoriously slow!


If you promise to study Latin in the meantime I won't have a problem waiting for the answer.


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