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Basically I enjoyed Iversen presenting his paintings and having him commenting on them. But I feel that a youtube channel (even a non-language one) is not an ideal place for display. Even the log here on the language forum seems somehow a more suitable place, except that any posts will soon be lost among thousands of newer posts.

If I were in a similar situation I would probably take stock of and patiently catalog everything I have done, make good copies or photographs of all the material and eventually put everything that may have any worth on a website or blog along with my personal comments.

Afterwards, if I was not too attached to the originals anymore, I'd consider selling them, or some of them, as long as this does not cost me any fees, stress or too much effort. I admit I have no idea if it is merely difficult or all but impossible to find potential buyers for personal paintings.

Regarding afterlife I am more worried about the posts on this forum. As we have seen this summer, everything that is posted here including vintage posts by the most experienced polyglots may sink into nirvana and oblivion any time without warning, and I noticed that even Google reacted by deleting the cashed pages at once. The forum appears to be not archived on archive.org either, so this forum is a palace built on thin ice really.
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14 October 2012 at 9:28pm | IP Logged 
You are perfect right - this forum could disappear overnight and forever. I have personally kept copies of my Guide to Learning languages and my Multiconfused Log plus a number of (mostly fairly old) messages. That means that I could set up a personal blog with enough of the content to wear out most readers. But I doubt that others have done the same, although some have personal blogs with partly overlapping content. We do live a precarious existence in the digital world. And then I haven't even mentioned the possibility that a solar storm like the one in 1859 could destroy much of our electronic circuitry together with power plants etc.

As for my paintings I have also concluded that Youtube isn't a suitable platform. I may consider some alternative solution, but selling the originals won't be an option.

Apart from that: I have spent the weekend in Copenhagen and on Zeeland, and I chose this weekend because there was a 'Cultural Night' Friday with access to lots of otherwise closed institutions - plus special arrangements at sights like the National Art Museum and the Copenhagen Zoo. Of course this in itself didn't further my language learning (which is the main theme of this forum), but discussing quarks with a real physicists at the Niels Bohr institute and the potential harm done by raw pineapple at the Ministry of Education are quite interesting activities in their own right. And I did study Greek, Russian and Portuguese in the train.

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15 October 2012 at 10:10am | IP Logged 
.. and I spent last evening making order in my photos, adding to an old article (see below) and making a travel description for personal use. So in this message I would like to mention a few details from the Cultural Night, and the things I did while travelling to and fro will come in the next one.

My hometown Århus also has its own Cultural Night, but it may become a bit repetitious to visit the same places each year - and with a larger population and all the governmental institutions Copenhagen can of course present a longer program. Unfortunately they happen the same Friday evening, so I had to choose, and here in 2012 I chose Copenhagen.

I started out at the Niels Bohr Institute (an internationally renowned part of the Copenhagen University) at 18 o'clock, where I listened to a lecture about solar storms and had a long discussion with a physicist about the implications of the work at Cern apart from the Higgs particle. The solar storm could even be relevant for language students because something like the Carrington event in 1859 could potentially close down the internet and kill your PC. In 1859 power stations broke down because their copper coils fused, telegraph lines sent nonsense messages without anybody in the sender's chair and there were short circuits all over the place. But in 1859 nobody had satellites, computers and TV (and bank accounts were kept on paper with INK!), so the damage today would be much larger. And could it happen? Of course, but we would get a warning because the most damage pulse of charged particles would travel slower than the speed of light - so we could shut down power stations etc. Could it happen? Well yes, older people in Quebec in Canada may still remember the total blackout cause by a much smaller event in 1989. So it s definitely a possibility.

From Niels Bohr I continued to the Rigshospital (State hospital), where I was told that there are no proteins whatsoever in apples and very little in carrots. Even chocolate bars with marcipan have more proteins. If they weren't so extremely fat they would be better food items than apples.

From there I wen to the 'Statens museum for kunst', where I had a discussion with a restorer about practical implements to keep your hand steady and about stereo pictures - because I noticed that she wore stereo glasses. Actually I once wrote an article ("Stereofoto for amatører") about my stereo photos, and for the lady at the museum I yesterday added a section about my own experiments with 'stereo-fication' of paintings. There are sites on the internet with stereo versions of works by the grand masters, and personally I find that they add a value to the paintings - just as the colored versions of old films are less forbidding than the old black-and-white versions. But the 'extended versions' can't replace the originals, just as a completely reconstructed copy of Stonehenge wouldn't cause you to pull down the original thing.

From there I continued to the Odd Fellow house, which once had the best concert hall in Copenhagen. But alas, it burnt down some years ago.

From there I continued to the Education ministry, which had arranged exhibitions and lectures. I got the chance to ask a dietist why they want me to eat 6 pieces of fruit daily when there is no proteins in the stuff (less than in a chocolate bar with marzipan), and also why they had included raw pineapple in their 'healthy exhibition' when that fruit is notorious for containing enzymes that dissolve human flesh. The lecture I attended there told about the current status in mindreading through brain scanning techniques, where it now it possible to predict which one of a number of pictures a test person is looking at. Likewise, people in 'permanent vegetative state' (irreverently called human vegetables) actually can have brain activities that prove that they think about specific things - for instance activity in the motoric areas of the brain can be initiated by speaking about tennis in the presence of such a patient, even though there is no outwards reactions. Scary! Finally we were told that it is possible to see whether a person is thinking in his/her native language or in a secondary language - but without details, and the fact itself is of course wellknown to everybody here at HTLAL.

And to end this educational experience I visited the zoological garden from 23.15 to midnight.

--- dansk version til Fasulye (men andre må gerne læse med):

Jeg startede på Niels Bohr-Institutet (en internationalt anerkendt del af Københavns Universitet) ved 18-tiden, hvor jeg lyttede til et foredrag om solstorme og havde en lang diskussion med en fysiker om konsekvenserne af arbejdet på Cern vedrørende alt muligt ANDET end Higgs-partiklen. En solstorm vil faktisk kunne være relevant for sprogstuderende fordi noget i stil med Carrington-begivenheden i 1859 potentielt kunne lukke internettet og slå éns pc ihjel. I 1859 brød kraftværker sammen fordi deres kobberspoler smeltede sammen, telegraflinjer sendte nonsensbeskeder uden at der sad nogen i afsenderens stol og der var kortslutninger overalt. Men i 1859 havde de ingen satellitter, computere og tv (og bankkonti blev ført ajour på papir med blæk!), Så skaden i dag ville være meget større. Og kunne det ske? Selvfølgelig, men vi ville få en advarsel, fordi den mest skadelige puls af ladede partikler ville rejse langsommere end lysets hastighed - så vi kunne måske nå at lukke kraftværker osv. Kunne det ske? Nå ja, ældre mennesker i Quebec i Canada kan nok stadig huske den totale blackout forårsaget af en meget mindre begivenhed i 1989. Så det er helt sikkert muligt.

Fra Niels Bohr fortsatte jeg til Rigshospitalet (kaldet 'Riget' i daglig tale), hvor jeg fik at vide at der overhovedet ikke er proteiner i æbler og meget lidt i gulerødder. Selv marcipanbrød har flere proteiner. Hvis der ikke var så meget fedt i dem ville de være sundere end æbler.

Derfra gik jeg til Statens Museum for Kunst, hvor jeg snakkede (på engelsk) med en restaurator om praktiske redskaber til at holde hånden i ro under arbejdet og om stereobilleder - fordi jeg bemærkede at hun bar stereobriller. Faktisk skrev jeg engang en artikel ("Stereofoto for amatører") om mine stereobilleder, og for damen på museet tilføjede jeg i går aftes et afsnit om mine egne forsøg med 'stereo-ficering' af malerier. Der er hjemmesider på internettet med stereoudgaver af værker af de store mestre, og personligt finder jeg, at de tilføjer en værdi til malerierne - ligesom de farvede udgaver af gamle film er mindre trælse end de gamle sort-hvide versioner. Men de 'udvidede versioner' kan ikke erstatte originalerne, ligesom en helt rekonstrueret kopi af Stonehenge forhåbentlig ikke ville få myndighederne til at nedrive den oprindelige dims.

Derfra fortsatte jeg med Odd Fellow-palæet, som engang havde den bedste koncertsal i København. Men den nedbrændte desværre for nogle år siden.

Derfra fortsatte jeg til Undervisningsministeriet (i samme gade), der havde arrangeret udstillinger og foredrag. Jeg fik chancen for at spørge en diætist, hvorfor de vil have mig til at spise 6 stykker frugt dagligt når der ikke er nogen proteiner i stadset (mindre end i et marcipanbrød), og også hvorfor de havde medtaget rå ananas i deres 'sundhedsudstilling', når denne frugt er berygtet for sit indhold af enzymer der kan opløse menneskekød. Det foredrag jeg overværede handlede om den aktuelle status i tankelæsning via hjernescanningsteknikker, hvor det nu er det muligt at forudsige, hvilket af ​​et antal billeder en testperson p.t. kigger på. Ligeledes kan folk i 'permanent vegetativ tilstand "(respektløst kaldet 'grøntsager') rent faktisk have hjerneaktiviteter, der beviser at de tænker på specifikke ting - for eksempel kan aktivitet i de motoriske områder af hjernen initieres ved at tale om tennis i nærværelse af en sådan patient, selv om der ikke er nogen synlige reaktioner. Skræmmende! Endelig fik vi at vide at det er muligt at se om en person tænker på sit eget modersmål eller på et sekundært sprog - men uden detaljer, og selve dette faktum er naturligvis velkendt for alle her på HTLAL.

Og som afslutning på denne pædagogiske oplevelse besøgte jeg Københavns zoo fra 23,15 til midnat.


Edited by Iversen on 15 October 2012 at 2:45pm

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 Message 3068 of 3959
15 October 2012 at 11:16am | IP Logged 
RU: У меня нет было время, чтобы заменить книги в сумку, и я уже завершил Teach Yourself африкаанс и небольш (нет, переменной длины) Алису и ее приключениях в сознании Льюиса Кэрролла. Но, к счастью, у меня был небольшой русский словарь Berlitz, так что я мог бы сделать список русских слов течение трех часов на поездку в пункт назначения.

GR: Κατά τη διάρκεια του ταξίδι με το τρένο από την Κοπεγχάγη στο Νεστβεδ κοίταξα στις σωρούς χαρτιού στην σακούλα μου και βρήκε παλιά μου εκτυπώσεις της Καστοριάς στη βόρεια Ελλάδα. Στην ίδια δέσμη του χαρτιού Βρήκα επίσης ένα άρθρο σχετικά με το ποίημα Γκιλγκαμές, η οποία θα μελετήσει όταν έχω χρόνο.

POR: Na volta para casa eu leio alguns artigos sobre as atrações do Rio de Janeiro, incluindo o Riozoo, o Museu da República e o Museu de Imagens e Som. Eu também li um monte de impressos brasileiros sobre Harry Potter. Eu não tinha ni um dicionário ni traduções, mas era bastante fácil para mim ler essas coisas.

I hadn't had time to change the books in my bag so I still carried TY Afrikaans and wee Ailice around with me even though I have finished both long ago. But I also had a small Russian dictionary from Berlitz so on the outwards trip I did three hours of Russian wordlists. From Copenhagen to Næstved Sunday I looked through the papers in my bag and found my old texts about the town Kastoria in Northern Greek. I also found an unused printout from the Greek Wikipedia about Gilgamesh, which I'll study when I have time for it. And finally I spent some of the time on the return trip reading a selection of texts from Brazilian homepages, including one about the Zoo in Rio de Janeiro (which I have visited) and others about the museums in Rio (idem) - and afterwards something about Harry Potter. I didn't have translations or a Portuguese dictionary, but it was not a big problem. I knew all but a small handful of words (like "estuque", which apparently is a fruit bowl or bowl for general purposes, and the expression "a época do Barão" - which baron?), and there were a few expressions which I understood, but didn't remember - like "seu nome decorre de.." At least my passive Portuguese seems to be OK despite very little activity in the language since my visit to the Algarve earlier this year. I can read Greek with limited or no use of a dictionary (and translations), whereas my Russian is somewhat more shaky.

Apart from that my bag contains treasures like the June-July issue of a Esperanto magazine, the poetic and prosaic texts in sundry languages which I collected for my ill-fated paintings videos, several articles in Irish and English, one in Icelandic about Mývatn (yes, that one!) and several printouts from a homepage about the Russian town Петрозаводск, which I haven't visited, but my mother has. And presumably Kilroy, who has been everywhere.

---

PS : 2 x "ni" (from French) ---> 2 x "nem" (Portuguese)

Edited by Iversen on 15 October 2012 at 3:08pm

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 Message 3069 of 3959
15 October 2012 at 2:42pm | IP Logged 
I thought I would read Huliganov's introduction to his current website (blogsite/vlogsite) and why he started it:

about Huliganov.tv


Basically he started it to showcase his Youtube videos in a way that categorised them and helped people find their way around them, and also provide a place for expanded comments (by him and viewers/commenters), and articles, pictures, documents, etc.

It made me think of you and your videos. Could you think of doing something similar? (Iversen.tv or whatever).


I've always found with Youtube, for viewing videos for anyone with a large channel, the user interface they provide leaves a lot to be desired (from my point of view, as a viewer). I hate, for example having to "click to load more..." ... horrible interface, IMO).

Anyway, with a blog, suitably categorised, with links to the appropriate videos, you have more control over things than with Youtube alone, and things should be more visible (or as visible as you want them to be) than on here, say.


Well, it's just a thought. It is maybe too soon to close the door on your art videos just yet, and you can make it as language oriented as you want, and of course include other things you are interested in. (Interviews with artists, art experts, scientists, perhaps...? The interview or discussion form can often be more interesting than the monologue form, depending how lucky one is with choice of interviewee of course. Handling the audio side is a bit trickier then, I guess.


(edit for not really related rant about people who organise lectures which are videoed, and omit to make sure that all questioners use a microphone, or/and insist that the speaker paraphrase the question before answering it. It is irritating not being able to hear the question, even if one can guess it from the answer...</rant>).



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15 October 2012 at 2:51pm | IP Logged 
The problem is that I am so heavily engaged with this log and my other writings at HTLAL that I would have problems finding time for both HTLAL and a new blog- plus the commitments I have to the new website of my travel club - I have promised to move the articles from the old site (the one in my profile) to the new one, and the process only lies dormant right now because the people behind the site have forgotten to give me the ability to transfer travelogues by other members than myself to the new site. But a blog for my paintings and maybe my musical scores might be a possibility because these fall outside the scope of both HTLAL and the homepages of my travel club.

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Iversen wrote:

POR: Na volta para casa eu leio alguns artigos sobre as atrações do Rio de Janeiro, incluindo o Riozoo, o Museu da República e o Museu de Imagens e Som. Eu também li um monte de impressos brasileiros sobre Harry Potter. Eu não tinha nem um dicionário nem traduções, mas era bastante fácil para mim ler essas coisas.


Só uma pequena correção, Iversen. De resto, tudo perfeito! =)
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Iversen wrote:
--- dansk version til Fasulye (men andre må gerne læse med):

Jeg startede på Niels Bohr-Institutet (en internationalt anerkendt del af Københavns Universitet) ved 18-tiden, hvor jeg lyttede til et foredrag om solstorme og havde en lang diskussion med en fysiker om konsekvenserne af arbejdet på Cern vedrørende alt muligt ANDET end Higgs-partiklen. En solstorm vil faktisk kunne være relevant for sprogstuderende fordi noget i stil med Carrington-begivenheden i 1859 potentielt kunne lukke internettet og slå éns pc ihjel. I 1859 brød kraftværker sammen fordi deres kobberspoler smeltede sammen, telegraflinjer sendte nonsensbeskeder uden at der sad nogen i afsenderens stol og der var kortslutninger overalt. Men i 1859 havde de ingen satellitter, computere og tv (og bankkonti blev ført ajour på papir med blæk!), Så skaden i dag ville være meget større. Og kunne det ske? Selvfølgelig, men vi ville få en advarsel, fordi den mest skadelige puls af ladede partikler ville rejse langsommere end lysets hastighed - så vi kunne måske nå at lukke kraftværker osv. Kunne det ske? Nå ja, ældre mennesker i Quebec i Canada kan nok stadig huske den totale blackout forårsaget af en meget mindre begivenhed i 1989. Så det er helt sikkert muligt.

Fra Niels Bohr fortsatte jeg til Rigshospitalet (kaldet 'Riget' i daglig tale), hvor jeg fik at vide at der overhovedet ikke er proteiner i æbler og meget lidt i gulerødder. Selv marcipanbrød har flere proteiner. Hvis der ikke var så meget fedt i dem ville de være sundere end æbler.

Derfra gik jeg til Statens Museum for Kunst, hvor jeg snakkede (på engelsk) med en restaurator om praktiske redskaber til at holde hånden i ro under arbejdet og om stereobilleder - fordi jeg bemærkede at hun bar stereobriller. Faktisk skrev jeg engang en artikel ("Stereofoto for amatører") om mine stereobilleder, og for damen på museet tilføjede jeg i går aftes et afsnit om mine egne forsøg med 'stereo-ficering' af malerier. Der er hjemmesider på internettet med stereoudgaver af værker af de store mestre, og personligt finder jeg, at de tilføjer en værdi til malerierne - ligesom de farvede udgaver af gamle film er mindre trælse end de gamle sort-hvide versioner. Men de 'udvidede versioner' kan ikke erstatte originalerne, ligesom en helt rekonstrueret kopi af Stonehenge forhåbentlig ikke ville få myndighederne til at nedrive den oprindelige dims.

Derfra fortsatte jeg med Odd Fellow-palæet, som engang havde den bedste koncertsal i København. Men den nedbrændte desværre for nogle år siden.

Derfra fortsatte jeg til Undervisningsministeriet (i samme gade), der havde arrangeret udstillinger og foredrag. Jeg fik chancen for at spørge en diætist, hvorfor de vil have mig til at spise 6 stykker frugt dagligt når der ikke er nogen proteiner i stadset (mindre end i et marcipanbrød), og også hvorfor de havde medtaget rå ananas i deres 'sundhedsudstilling', når denne frugt er berygtet for sit indhold af enzymer der kan opløse menneskekød. Det foredrag jeg overværede handlede om den aktuelle status i tankelæsning via hjernescanningsteknikker, hvor det nu er det muligt at forudsige, hvilket af ​​et antal billeder en testperson p.t. kigger på. Ligeledes kan folk i 'permanent vegetativ tilstand "(respektløst kaldet 'grøntsager') rent faktisk have hjerneaktiviteter, der beviser at de tænker på specifikke ting - for eksempel kan aktivitet i de motoriske områder af hjernen initieres ved at tale om tennis i nærværelse af en sådan patient, selv om der ikke er nogen synlige reaktioner. Skræmmende! Endelig fik vi at vide at det er muligt at se om en person tænker på sit eget modersmål eller på et sekundært sprog - men uden detaljer, og selve dette faktum er naturligvis velkendt for alle her på HTLAL.

Og som afslutning på denne pædagogiske oplevelse besøgte jeg Københavns zoo fra 23,15 til midnat.


Tak for dine danske version, som jeg skal laese en detail senere, fordi jeg skal nu give en lektion nederlandsk derhjemme. Jeg venter til min elev nederlandsk kommer.

Teksten er lidt for langt for mig, men jeg har aboneret Zoo Köbenhavn pâ Facebook og der stâ fotoen af denne âbene aften, hvor Iversen var kl. 23:15 om aftenen til midnat.

Ogsâ for mig det er atter interesant at besöge foredragterne, jeg skal besöge min naeste foredragt pâ 22 oktober. Emnet skal vaere: Europaeisk Rumtelekskopen "Herschel", Einblick in die Geburt der Sterne.

Fasulye

Edited by Fasulye on 15 October 2012 at 10:02pm



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