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Iversen
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 Message 2249 of 3959
17 February 2011 at 11:27am | IP Logged 
Thanks for the corrections to my rusty Dutch.

About the volcanoes: when I wrote about volcanism on Venus I was thinking more about large scale effusions, which in Earthian terms would be something like the Siberian traps, which covered 2,000,000 square kilometers with lava at the end of the Permian, or the Deccan Traps which covered 1.5 million km², approximately half the size of modern India at the end of the Cretaceeous (source: Wikipedia). There are reasonably wellfounded theories that similar events occur on a regular basis on Venus, which could explain the almost total lack of meteor craters.

However space probes have recently also demonstrated the existence of active 'single' volcanoes (see here or here), but without plate tectonics these may be rarer on Venus. And the price to pay for this may be fewer, but larger events.

I have read about a number of men condemned for sorcery (for instance a certain Grandier), but the mass hysteria that occurred from around 1500 primarily targeted women. The dark age was NOT the Medieval Age, but the period following the Renaissance and the Reformation which otherwise are seen as progressive events.


Edited by Iversen on 17 February 2011 at 1:38pm

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 Message 2250 of 3959
17 February 2011 at 9:57pm | IP Logged 
On my way back from my job I got the idea to one more video, and the result is already in the box: a video about my books, in particular those in languages I haven't learnt yet and which I may never learn to speak - but it is nice just to know something about their structure and maybe get an inkling of what it might be to speak them.

DU: Ik had ook gehoopt een beetje tijd te hebben om Nederlands serieus te studeeren, maar ik heb alleen een antal uitdraais gemaakt over geologie en paleontologie vanuit een zeer interessante website, www.geo.uu.nl.


Edited by Iversen on 17 February 2011 at 9:57pm

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 Message 2254 of 3959
18 February 2011 at 10:12pm | IP Logged 
Kuikentje wrote:
Iversen,
I'm bit sad because my votes don't function. It's not allowed that I vote?
On the international symbols and words for approximately thread, some people wrote very nice replies and explanations. I clicked "vote for this post" on each reply, but those don't function, I mean it's not visible. When I've clicked on those posts, it wasn't a vote at all there, but now one vote for Cainntear. I voted for all the people, therefore the Cainntear's vote isn't mine.
Thanks for explaining.
Kuikentje


to Kuikentje: I don't know why your votes haven't been registrered. I have seen at least one case earlier, where somebody had voted for just about all posts by a certain person in a thread, including some posts that were so short and bland that they normally wouldn't have got any votes. So maybe there is some kind of algorithm, but I don't know any details.

Paranday wrote:

I like this video, I feel encouraged to add more books to my own collection.
Which books do you have for Breton, any strong recommendation for a particular title? Do you have anything on Faroese? Also, you mention African languages; besides Swahili, which African languages do you have in your collection?


I have two tiny books about Breton: one Kauderwelsch in the "Wort für Wort" (bought in Hamburg), and one Assimil ".. de poche" (bought in Strasbourg) -. OK, then I had 2 Assimils after all. But the interesting point is that I visited three bookstores in a major French town and the only book I found was this minuscule tome. If you need study materials you will evidently have to use the internet and maybe contact somebody in Bretagne directly. The French French from France won't lift a finger to help you.

Faroese is not high on my list because I already can read it, using my knowledge of Icelandic and Danish. I have got one Kauderwelsch, and besides I have read a local newspaper (Dimmalætting) a couple of times at my local library, and if I had planned to go to the islands soon I would step up my studies of that newspaper rather than buying a book. You can see its homepage here. For spoken Faroese you can listen to the podcasts of www.kringvarp.fo.

Finally: the African languages. I have got "Egyptian language" (1978) by Wallis Budge, but you are probably not thinking about Hieroglyphics and Ancient Egyptian when you speak about African languages. I have got Perrott's Teach Yourself Swahili from 1951 (reimpression from 1980) and wouldn't consider buying anything newer in that series. On top of that "A tourist guide to simple Swahili", which effectively has less content than your average language guide, plus the Kauderwelsch "Wort für Wort" volume for 'Kisuaheli'. I also have the corresponding booklet about "Fongbe für Benin". I bought a book about Malgache (in French) in Antanarivo, but as I said in the video this language has ties with Asian languages, not other African languages. And finally I have bought Berlitz' "African Phrase Book", which covers 12 languages on 192 pages - so it is a thin cover indeed, but all I need, given that that I haven't any plans right now for learning any African language apart from Afrikaans, which isn't indigenous to the continent. If I changed my mind Swahili would probably be my first choice, but I wouldn't expect to find much written stuff.


Edited by Iversen on 14 September 2011 at 1:12am

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 Message 2256 of 3959
20 February 2011 at 11:48pm | IP Logged 
Kuikentje wrote:
My votes don't function at all. they aren't registered, if those are for a post or if for more, for example three posts on a thread. It's very annoying because I want to thank the people for their helpful and great responses when I'd asked a question.
I've seen your youtube video about your books and it was very interesting. Your bookshelf is great.


I can't help you with your votes. In fact I can' even help myself - I have got a problem with my own computer and google.com, but I can't find any vira or rootkits or anything else to explain it. But now I'll spend the rest of the evening on my languages, using good old tools like books, pen and paper..

DU: Gisteren bestudeerde ik de woordvolgorde van het Nederlands, met behulp van teksten uit www.geo.uu.nl. Een van deze ging over de grote lava uitbarstingen die het Perm eindigde, genaamd 'de Siberische Traps'. Hier vindt u onder andere deze twee zinnen:

1) De onderkant van het 3,5 km dikke pakket big Norilsk is gedateerd op een leeftijd rond 250,3 miljoen jaar en de bovenkant is gedateerd op 248,7 jaar oud.

2) Het grootste gedeelte van de Siberian Traps is dus vanaf 250 miljoen jaar geleden afgezet.

Het is erg moeilijk een regel te formuleren, dat verklaart waarom die werkwoordgroep staat verenigd in het eerste voorbeeld, maar opgesplitst door adverbia in de tweede?. Kunt je ook de elementen verenigen in de twede zin (misschien gaat dat makkelijker zonder "dus"??)

Er moet iets met de zwaarte van de constiente op het spel hier zijn!

Afgezien van deze gebruik als grammaticale studie-object, deze site staat vol met interessante artikelen over geologie en paleontologie. Een ander artikel suggereert bijvoorbeeld dat halon-gas uit zechstein ook een rol speelde voor het grootste bekende massa-extinctie in het verhaal van de Aarde. Zechstein "is een pakket gesteentelagen in de ondergrond van grote delen van het westen en midden van Europa. Het bestaat uit lagen evaporieten, schalie/kleisteen en kalksteen uit het Midden- tot Laat-Perm.". Mijn Nederlandse woordenboeken bevattete zich niet met het woord "Zechstein", maar zoals gebruikelijk heeft Google me gered.

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As earlier mentioned I have studied Dutch word order, and for this I have used articles from a homepage about geology and paleontology. Sometimes I can see a clear rule, but not always - for instance in the two examples where a compound verbal form stays in one place before a heavy adverbial in the first one, while it is split by the adverbial phrase in the second one.

Apart from that it is an interesting site, full of articles about geology and paleontology. The one I quoted described the extension of the socalled 'Siberian traps', i.e. immense volcanic outpourings that filled at least 5 mio. square km of presentday Siberia with lava to a depth of up to 3,5 km at the end of the Permian - and filled the atmosphere with harmful gasses. I have already written about this event in earlier posts in this log, but now it has also 'entertained' me in Dutch.

Another article on the same homepage demonstrated the limits of my Dutch dictionaries: apparently halons from 'Zechstein' also played a role in the largest mass extinction event ever - I had to Google and found the explanation in Wikipedia (not for the first time): "The Zechstein (German either from mine stone or tough stone) is a unit of sedimentary rock layers of Middle to Late Permian (Guadalupian to Lopingian) age located in the European Permian Basin which stretches from the east coast of England to northern Poland." How can you live without knowing things like this?


Edited by Iversen on 14 September 2011 at 1:13am



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