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 Message 1929 of 3959
06 July 2010 at 10:19am | IP Logged 
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EN: to Fasulye: It's worth a try, good luck. Personally I don't do anything special to study English, - I get so much input that it shouldn't be necessary. But my attempts to get a grip on Scots can be seen as an attempt to revive my English studies by targeting something from the Anglophone world that doesn't come by itself.

SCO: tae Fasulye: 'tis wirth the pruive, guid luck. Personally ah shouldnae dae ocht special tae study Sassenach, - ah git so muckle input it shouldnae be necessar. But ma mynt at gittin a grip on Scots coud be seen as an ettle tae cower ma English studies by tergettin something o the Anglophone warld that comes nae by the sel o it.


EN: Do you know why English is called "Sassenach" in Scots?

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 Message 1930 of 3959
06 July 2010 at 10:29am | IP Logged 
Yes, it is a loan from Scottish Gaelic, where it is the normal term for English - obviously from '(Anglo)saxon' (-ach is an adjectival ending). In Scots it is said to have slightly derogatory overtones, and I use it here to hint that 'ordinary' English has become too easy and too ubiquitous to to be a real challenge. Maybe Caribbean English could have served the same purpose, but Scots is geographically closer to me



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 Message 1931 of 3959
06 July 2010 at 10:41am | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
Yes, it is a loan from Scottish Gaelic, where it is the normal term for English - obviously from '(Anglo)saxon' (-ach is an adjectival ending). In Scots it is said to have slightly derogatory overtones, and I use it here to hint that 'ordinary' English has become too easy and too ubiquitous to to be a real challenge. Maybe Caribbean English could have served the same purpose, but Scots is geographically closer to me


Interesting! The word "Sassenach" doesn't sound "Anglo" to me as the rest of your post written in Scots. So it's a Scottish Gaelic word. Thanks for explaining!

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 Message 1932 of 3959
06 July 2010 at 5:34pm | IP Logged 
DE: Zooführung?

Manchmal bietet der Zoo Krefeld teure Sonder-Veranstaltungen an, aber dafür gilt mein Gutschein nicht. Ich warte immer noch auf eine geeignete Zooführung.

Aber es gibt eine interessante Neuigkeit aus diesem Zoo:

"Erstes weibliches Spitzmaulnashorn in NRW

Nach zwei männlichen Jungtieren hat die 19-jährige Nashornkuh Nane nun ein Weibchen zur Weltgebracht. Nur 36 Stunden nach der Geburt konnte die Kleine mit ihrer Mutter erstmals auf die Außenanlage. Unter großem Interesse von Medien und Zoobesuchern trippelte sie hinter Nane her und erkundete die neue Umgebung. Von Aufregung war bei beiden keine Spur. In den kommenden Tagen werden die beiden jeweils nach 10.30 Uhr bis 13 Uhr und nochmals am Nachmittag auf der Anlage zu sehen sein. Die Zeiten können noch variieren, also ein wenig Geduld mitbringen."

Das wird viel Publikum anlocken...

WOW, der Zoo hat einen eigenen You Tube Kanal und man kann sich dort das neugeborene Nashornbaby in einem Video anschauen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRQU4JS1Qg4

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 Message 1933 of 3959
07 July 2010 at 11:37am | IP Logged 
GER: In Dänemark gibt es nur ein einziges Spitzmaulnashorn (im Ree Park auf Djursland) und es ist so neu hier, dass es noch in Quarantäne ist. Es gibt aber mehrere Zoos mit Breitmaulnashörner. Übrigens ist es gut, daß sich diese Namen durchgesetz habe. Das Spitzmaulnashorn wird mitunter auch als Schwarzes Nashorn bezeichnet, und das Breitmaulnashörner als Weißes Nashorn. Beide sind aber hellgrau. Angeblich haben die Buren das Breitmaulnashorn als "wydrenoster" genannt "wyd" bedeutet "breit"), und die Engländer haben dies misverstanden und geglaubt, daß sie 'white' (weiß) gemeint haben. Ich habe aber dies eben im Afrikaanisches Wikipedia nachgeschlagen, und hier wird ausschließlich die Farbenbezogene Namen verwandt:

AF: "Dit is ook nie moontlik om die witrenoster van die swartrenoster te onderskei op basis van kleur nie, maar eerder deur hulle bolippe: terwyl die witrenoster 'n breë bolip het waarmee hy gras vreet, het die swartrenoster 'n gepuntde bolip waarmee hy blare van die takkies trek." .
So het die Afrikaaners het blykbaar die verkeerde name aangeneem van die Engelse in plaas van hul eie, meer logiese name. Soms gaat die wêreld agteruit.

In Denmark there is only one Black or Hook-lipped rhinoceros (in Ree Park), but several White or Square-lipped rhinoceros. Actually it is silly to call the two species black and white because both clearly are grey. The most common explanation is that the Boers called the white one 'wyde renoster' because of its broad mouth (used for grass eating), and the British then misunderstood this as 'white'. The problem is that even the Afrikaaner use the word 'wit' (white), so either they have accepted the misleading English name, or the explanation is wrong. The 'hook-lipped' rhino has a pointed (rather than hook-shaped) lip, which is well suited for its diet of twigs and fruit.


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 Message 1934 of 3959
07 July 2010 at 11:47am | IP Logged 
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AF: "Dit is ook nie moontlik om die witrenoster van die swartrenoster te onderskei op basis van kleur nie, maar eerder deur hulle bolippe: terwyl die witrenoster 'n breë bolip het waarmee hy gras vreet, het die swartrenoster 'n gepuntde bolip waarmee hy blare van die takkies trek." .
So het die Afrikaaners het blykbaar die verkeerde name aangeneem van die Engelse in plaas van hul eie, meer logiese name. Soms gaat die wêreld agteruit.


NL: Dus het Afrikaans gebruikt een andere benaming voor deze dieren dan het Nederlands, waar het dier "neushoorn" heet. Verder weet ik het niet.

Maar hoe heten een "Spitzmaulnashorn" en een "Breitmaulnashorn" dan in het Deens, want zoiets specifieks staat niet in mijn Langenscheidt woordenboek?

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Edited by Fasulye on 07 July 2010 at 11:48am

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 Message 1935 of 3959
07 July 2010 at 12:19pm | IP Logged 
Spidssnudet eller sort næsehorn
Bredsnudet eller hvidt næsehorn

men

Spidssnudet frø   (tysk: Frosch)
Butsnudet frø

En video om Ree Park's sorte næsehorn 'Thabo' her ... og det kommer fra KREFELD !!!!!!

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 Message 1936 of 3959
07 July 2010 at 2:03pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
Spidssnudet eller sort næsehorn
Bredsnudet eller hvidt næsehorn

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Spidssnudet frø   (tysk: Frosch)
Butsnudet frø

En video om Ree Park's sorte næsehorn 'Thabo' her ... og det kommer fra KREFELD !!!!!!


DK: Ja, naesehornen "Thabo" kender jeg. Det er fantastisk vide vor Krefelds naesehorn og zoo pa dansk TV!

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