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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5844 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 1313 of 3959 21 September 2009 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | ||
Adesso lo capisco meglio. Non avevo visto nel libro delle persone nella palla, perché per me "un boulet" è una cosa bastante piccola. Ma alla fine del libro questo diventa più chiaro, perché si trova un dissegno del projectilo qui. Grazie per spiegare il ruolo della forza G. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 21 September 2009 at 11:40pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5844 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 1314 of 3959 21 September 2009 at 11:50pm | IP Logged | ||
FR: Non, ça ne me donne pas d'inspiration de lire sur des dinosaures survécus au dessous de la terre, çela me parraît vraiment ridicule. :-( Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 21 September 2009 at 11:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6700 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 1315 of 3959 22 September 2009 at 9:55am | IP Logged | ||
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It seems that I now again can access my multiconfused log. For a time I had the problem that I couldn't get past the first dialog box because the language list broke down after the first 16 languages, so I had to start a new thread for the purpose. I felt like someone whose home has been flooded so they have to move into a hotel room until things have been fixed. But now I'm back, thanks to our Administrator, and you can expect that this monster thread will continue its unbridled growth.
So goodbye to "Iversen's interim log post dump" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6957 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 1316 of 3959 22 September 2009 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Interessante questo thread .....è in linea con il titolo , infatti non si capisce l'argomento , è un thread senza nè capo nè coda , non si capisce un emerito cactus (eufemismo che sostituisce una parola quasi assonante ma qui le parolacce sono vietate)
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| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6700 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 1317 of 3959 22 September 2009 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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No no, c'è un capo e molto confusione, ma è vero che non ha nessuna coda
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| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6700 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 1318 of 3959 23 September 2009 at 2:02am | IP Logged | ||
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Αργά αυτó το βράδυ, όταν είχα σχεδόν αποφασίσει να πάει για ύπνο, είδα μια σύνδεση με http://www.kypros.org στο νήμα του JW. Και τώρα έχω περάσει δύο ώρες εξετάζοντας σελίδες ελληνικές. Στην www.kypros.www υπάρχει μια σειρά μαθημάτων με πολλά μαθήματα, αλλά απαιτεί εγγραφή για να το δείτε και εγώ Δεν θέλω να εφαρμόσει μια σειρά μαθημάτων - έχω άλλες μεθόδους. Αλλά υπάρχει ένα φόρουμ με μερικές ενδιαφέρουσες ερωτήσεις, και πέρασα πολύ χρόνο.
Από εκεί συνέχισαν σε μια σελίδα με την αρχαία ελληνική και αγγλική γλώσσα (http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/greek-word.asp), όπου σπούδασα την Θεογονία του Ησίοδος. Σε αυτή την σελίδα υπάρχουν κείμενα από όλη την ιστορία της ελληνικής γλώσσας. Τώρα είμαι λίγο πιο κοντά στην κατανόηση ενός αρχαίο ελληνικό κείμενο, αλλά θα εξακολουθούν να σπουδάζουν μόνο την δημοτική γλώσσα - υπάρχουν πάρα πολλές τόνους και δασυφωνίες στην αρχαία ελληνική! --- I had really decided to go to bed when I noticed the link to http://www.kypros.org in JW's log. I have visited this site before; I know there is a course with lots of lessons, but you have to have a (free) membership to see them, and I'm not interested enough to get inscribed. However this time I spent almost two hours reading stuff in the forum, and I concluded my Greek session with some pages from the beginning of Hesiod's Theogony, as seen in the bilingual version at the site http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/greek-word.asp. Ancient Greek doesn't seem as incomprehensible to me now as it did just a few months ago, but I still don't understand why there are so many accents and aspiration signs and other diacritical signs. I have read somewhere that the old Greeks didn't write these signs. Edited by Iversen on 23 September 2009 at 4:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| metafrastria Diglot Newbie Turkey Joined 5699 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English, Russian* Studies: French, Turkish, Ancient Greek | Message 1319 of 3959 23 September 2009 at 9:04am | IP Logged | ||
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Ancient Greek was a tonal language, and while Ancient Greeks did not use accents or
breathing marks in their writing, these were introduced during the Byzantine period to aid readers unfamiliar with the polytonal system (the lowercase letters were also introduced around that time). Greek pronunciation changed over time, and gradually tones were replaced by stress (as in Modern Greek). Interestingly, Modern Greek was written with polytonic diactrics until 1982, although by that time these only had orthographic significance. If you're interested in hearing how Ancient Greek must have sounded, some audio samples of "reconstructed pronunciation" can be found on the internet. The sound is quite unlike that of Modern Greek! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6700 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 1320 of 3959 23 September 2009 at 9:46am | IP Logged | ||
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This is a good reason indeed. Let me rephrase: the classical Greeks had a tonal system, but because everyone knew the tones no one bothered to mark them. When that system started to break down during the byzantine period it became necessary to mark the tones to try to preserve the old system, which nonetheless broke down beyond repair in the spoken language, leaving some useless marks in the writing. And it took more than one thousand years before an unpopular junta made katherevousa and the useless accents so unpopular that it became politically possible to remove them.
I first bought some books about Greek around 1980 with the intention of learning the language (some small dictionaries, one Teach Yourself plus a Swedish language textbook by a certain Mistakidis). But then I left language learning for a few years (25) and the books where never used, except for learning the alphabet. But all these books use the old three accents plus the two aspirations, and therefore I still have some idea about where to use the different signs - such as the one that precisely those Greek words that as loan words in other languages are written with an intital h-(heureka, Hera). But I think that the simplification of the writing was a great step forward, because it must be better to have a writing that is somewhat in line with the spoken language, rather than catering to a few purists' vain attempts to teach people classical Greek through the spelling system. Edited by Iversen on 24 September 2009 at 5:10am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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