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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 473 of 3959 13 March 2009 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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IT: Purtroppo non ho mai visto l'aurora borealis. Questo spettacolo si vede principalmente nel inverno dove il sole resta sotto l'orizzonte tutto il giorno e fa terribilmente freddo, - sarebbe interessante verlo, ma non mi piace restare nel buio e morire di freddo. Ho visitato il Norte di Norvegia, ma all'estate dove il sole resta sul cielo tutto il giorno ed il climate è assai clemente. Come ho detto ho anche visitato due volte il Cercolo polare cerca di Rovaniemi in Finlandia. La prima volta ho fatto una passeggiata al cercolo, che allora solamento era marcato con un segno nel ciglio della strada - all'epoca non sapevo che il Cercolo non fosse qui. Ma la seconda volta sapevo tutto questo, e ho presa anche preso l'Espresso di Babbo Natale = il reno per Kemijärvi, che si trova più al Norte di Rovaniemi.
SP: Y tampoco he visitado las Islas de Galápagos, - esto es muy caro mismo del Ecuador. He visto tortugas solamente en parques zoológicos - pero normalmente las tortugas gigantes allá son tortugas de Aldabra en el Oceano Indico. En lugar de visitar los Galapagos pasé todo el tiempo de mi visita en las montañas, desde Quito a Ibarra en el Norte y a Cuenca en el Sur del pais. En la ciudad de Baños houve poco antes de mi llegar una cierta actividad del volcan Tungurahua, y en conseguinte quasi no havia turistas. No se podia comprar excursiones, y por eso comencé sencillamente caminar verso el Este. Tuvo la intención de continuar hasta la proxima ciudad, peró la ultima etapa se pasó através de un parque nacional sin posibilidad de comprar algo que beber, y por esto he subido en un autobus después de cerca de 45 kilometros (y ocho horas caminando). A pesar de esto tuve una estancia muy agradable en el Ecuador. FR: J'ai déjà mentionné les exoplanètes une fois aujourd'hui, mais j'ai quelque chose de plus à dire à ce sujet. J'ai choisi la "Science et Vie" sur le système solaire comme ma lecture "retour-du-boulot". Ici je lu un article sur les exoplanètes, dont on a déjà trouvé 350, mais il s'ávère que elles sont presque tous très différentes de notre Terre. Bien sur il est plus facile de trouver les planètes géantes, mais même en tenant compte des problèmes techniques les 'nouvelles terres' sont assez rares. Encore pire, une équipe a fait des centaines de simulations de la naissance de systèmes planétaires, où l'on a systématiqement varié toutes les facteurs, et on a trouvé qu'il faut des conditions assez précises et très rares pour avoir à la fin un système comme le nôtre, avec des planètes rocheuses près de l'astre et des grand planètes gaseuse plus loin. Comme dit E.Thommes de cette équipe: "Dans notre simulation, des systèmes analogues au nôtre se forment lorsque le disque protoplanétaire disparaît au moment même où s'achève la formation des planètes géantes, un cas de figure très particulier". Autrement dit, même si les systemes planétaires ne sont pas rares, la majorité entre eux sont trop différentes du système du Soleil pour qu'il puisse se produir des planètes avec la moindre chance de vie: taille convenable, surface rocheuse, de l'eau, des températures agréables et pas trop de météorites. Tant pis pour ceux qui espère encore trouver de la vie extra-terrrestre. ---------- Unfortunately I have never seen the Northern lights, - they are mostly seen during the winter where the sun never gets over the horizon and it is terribly cold. I have visited the Northernmost part of Norway during the summer, where the climate is much more pleasant, but then the sun stays on the sky all night, and therefore you can't expect to see any Northern lights. When I visited Rovaniami the first time I walked up to the roadside sign that should indicate the Polar cercle, so they did cheat me! But the second time I knew about this and I took a bus to the airport, and later I even took the Father Christmas Express train(!) to Kemijärvi, a smaller town that is well above the Polar Circle. I haven't visited the Galapagos Islands, - it is very expensive even if you already have reached Ecuador. Instead I stayed in the mountains. Here I visited a town called Baños, which had officially been evacuated and there were almost no turists, - even though the local people had return against the orders of the government. I couldn't buy any excursions here, so instead I just started walking towards the East. I walked for 8 hours, but the last part of this walk went through a national park where I couldn't buy anything to drink - so after just 45 km or so I jumped into a bus to the nearest town. Btw the Ecuadorians have skipped their own currency and use US greenbacks instead - probably the most dirty and mucked up dollar bills you can find anywhere. I have already once written about exoplanets today (planets outside the Solar system). But I read an article in a French popular scientific magazine on my way back from work today, and there I found an article about exoplanets. Apparently the astronomers have now found more than 350, but almost all of them are very duifferent from the Earth, and they represent systems that are very different from ours - some have enormes planets close to the star instead of rocky planwets like the Earth, or they have extremely elliptic circuits or they are circling almost extinct stars. Apart from looking for these planets the astronomers have also made lots of simulations of the formation of solar systems, and one member of a group that have made hundreds of such simulations makes this announcement: "in our simulations systems like ours are formed when the protoplanetary disk disappears in exactly the same moment that the gigant planets have been formed, which is a very special case". So even if the planetary systems aren't too rare it would be fairly unlikely to find a système like the one around the sun, and consequently it will be fairly unlikely to find another planet with a suitable size, rocky surface, liquid water and not too many meteors. I feel sorry for those who still believe that we will eventually find extraterrestrial life - the chances were already slim and have now been limited even more by these calculations. Edited by Iversen on 14 March 2009 at 1:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5845 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 474 of 3959 14 March 2009 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
FR: Oui, ça c'est un theme tres actuel dans les magazines d'astronomie. Merci pour avoir resumé les contemporaines conclusions sur la probabilité de trouver une "exo-terre"dans un distant systeme solaire. Ce n'est pas une vision tres optimiste. Selon mon opinion la quantité des exoplanetes deja trouvés est encore trop petite. Quand on a trouvé 5000-10000 exoplanetes on pourra pronostiquer la probabilité plus precisemment. Fasulye-Babylonia Edited by Fasulye on 14 March 2009 at 2:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 475 of 3959 14 March 2009 at 2:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
Όπως φαίνεται, έχω υποσχεθεί να δημιουργήσει μια λίστα με ονόματα πλανητικών στα ελληνικά. Τα ονόματα των δυτικοευρωπαϊκές γλώσσες προέρχονται από τη ρωμαϊκή μυθολογία, αλλά επειδή οι ίδιοι οι Έλληνες έχουν ένα πλούσιο και άκρως διασκεδαστικό μυθολογία, προφανώς έχουν επιλέξει να χρησιμοποιούν τα δικά τους ονόματα θεών. Ρωμαίοι δεν εíχαν πολύ φαντασία, μέχρι τους θεούς μοιάζει σχεδόν αξιωματικούς με συγκεκριμένες εργασίες τομεíσ. Με βάση αυτών ήταν ήδη κατά την αρχαιότητα γραπτή κατάλογοι των θεών με παρόμοιες θέσεις εργασίας. Και πλανητικά ονόματα ακολουθήστε τούς συνδιασμούσ αυτούς. 1. Ερμής = Mercurius - αγγελιοφόρος θεών, θεóς πορτοφολών 2. Αφροδίτη = Venus - θεά αγάπης, προφανώς πλένονται αποβίβαση στην Κύπρο 3. Γη (Γαία) = Terra (the Earth) - η Μητέρα-Γη στην πρώτη γενιά των θεών μετά το χάος 4. Άρης = Mars - θεός του ανήλεου πολέμου (Αθηνάς ήταν υπεύθυνη για την τέχνη του πολέμου) 5. Δίας (Ζευς) = Jupiter - θεός του ουρανού και το κεφάλι για την τρίτη γενιά των θεών 6. Κρόνος = Saturnus - θεός του χρόνου (τι άλλο;), γιος του Ουρανού και της Γαίας, πατέρας του Δία 7. Ουρανός = Uranus - θεός του ουρανού στην πρώτη γενιά μετά το χάος 8. Ποσειδώνας = Neptunus - θεός της θάλασσας, αδελφός του Δία Άδη = Pluton - υποκόσμου θεός (και σκύλος του Mickey Mouse) - δεν θεωρείται πλέον μια βερή πλανήτη μετά την ανακάλυψη της Eris (η θεά της διαφοράς - και πράγματι προκάλεσαν κάποια φασαρία!). -------- I have promised to make a list with the names of the planets in Greek. In most European languages the planets are named after the Roman gods, but the Greek gods are much more fun, so it isn't strange that the Greeks prefer naming the planets after their own gods. Roman gods were more like public servants, each had his/her own job to do, and throughout most of the Republican periode the rather fantasy-impaired Romans were content with that. But with time they wanted something more entertaining and colourful, and then they looked for parallels in the Greek mythology (the Romans also stole the Greek sculptures, not to speak about anything else that could be carted to Rome). The Greek names for the planets follow closely those old identifications: 1. Hermes = Mercurius - the gods' messenger and god for the thiefs (and probably also for CEOs, I presume) 2. Aphrodite = Venus - goddess for love, washed ashore in Cyprus (and we haven't had a quiet moment since that) 3. Ge (Gaia) = Terra (the Earth) - the mother Earth-goddess of the 1. generation af Greek gods after Chaos, according to Hesiodos 4. Ares = Mars - god for bloody war (Athena was responsible for the socalled art of war) 5. 'Thias' (Zeus) = Jupiter - god for the heavens, the boss of all the Olympean gods (in the 3. generation) 6. Kronos = Saturnus - god for time (chronology!), son of Uranus and Gaia, father to the Olympean gods 7. Uranos = Uranus - god of the heavens (or rather the heavens himself) in the first generation of gods 8. Poseidonas = Neptunus - the seagod, brother to Zeus Hades = Pluton - god of the underworld (and Mickey Mouse's dog) - isn't defined as a proper planet anymore after the find of Eris (goddess of strife, and yes, there was a bit of turbulence at this decision) - the astronomers didn't want so many small ridiculous planets running around out there in the darkness, so they degraded poor Pluto. A this place I simply have to mention a splendid orchestral work by Gustav Holst, the Planets, - which indeed became so popular that the composer himself got sick and tired of always being reminded of this one work. But who else would have heard about Holst if he hadn't written this masterpiece? Here are the seven movements, - noticed that Pluto wasn't found yet in 1916, and that the order of the inner planets has been changed for artistic reason: 1. Mars*, the Bringer of War 2. Venus, the Bringer of Peace 3. Mercury, the Winged Messenger 4. Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity 5. Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age 6. Uranus, the Magician 7. Neptune, the Mystic * corrected Edited by Iversen on 15 March 2009 at 9:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5845 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 476 of 3959 14 March 2009 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
NL: Leuk werk, dit! Toen ik in het Grieks den namen van de planeten las, merkte ik, dat ik wat ongeoefend ben geraakt in het lezen van de Griekse letters. Dat heb ik al vele jaren niet meer gedaan! In het vak literatuurwetenschap moest ik me met de klassieke mythologie bezighouden, maar dat was niet echt mijn interessegebied, dus daar heb ik toen niet zoveel van opgestoken. Maar dit hier is gewoon standaardkennis, dat zou ik ook moeten weten. Dat is interessant dat een komponist - al voordat de ex-planeet Pluto werd ontdekt in 1930 - klassieke muziek gecomponeerd heeft ten opzichte van het planetenstelsel. De link naar "Mars" is overigens buiten werking. De links naar de andere planeten heb ik me gedeeltelijk beluisterd, maar dit soort muziek spreekt me helemaal niet aan. Het klingt allemaal wat onmelodisch (dissonant?) op mij. Zo word ik hier in het forum nog met een taal geconfronteerd, die ik al tientallen jaren volledig opzij heb gelegd, met het idee dat ik er in mijn leven nooit wat meer te maken zal krijgen. Φασόυλγε-Βαβιλώνια Edited by Fasulye on 14 March 2009 at 5:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5896 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 477 of 3959 14 March 2009 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
What's very funny about Greek's the name of the country in Greek is helada, which means in Spanish 'frozen'. hahahaha! It's not very frozen at all LOL!!! But hot especially in the summer.
Poor Pluto :-(
Onmelodisch of dissonant is deze muziek zeker niet, wel heeft Holst veel gemengde rythme gebruikt: vaak 6/8 samen met 3/4 of over een phrase van maten van 4/4. Je kunt merken hoe sommige instrumenten matenlang 6 noten spelen tegen de 4 van de slagen van de dirigent. Dit is dus niet meteen doorzichtelijk als b.v wanneer elke instrument gewoon in 4/4 speelt. daardoor kun je grote afstanden en lange tijden met snelle actie combineren en gelijktijdig iets vreemds toevoegen. dit is mijn gevoel en voor mij is het gelukt: ik luister graag ernaar hoewel dit stuk toch niet bij mijn favourieten telt. Het idee van muziek voor elk planeet te compneren vind ik buitengewoon prachtig. Meestal gaan muziekstukken over bepaalde litteratuur, verhalen, of volgen een standaardformaat van b.v. 3 delen (konzert of sonata) 4 delen (symphonie) Edited by Jar-ptitsa on 14 March 2009 at 5:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5845 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 478 of 3959 14 March 2009 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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EDIT: Ik heb deze post weggehaald, misschien was die te off-topic. Edited by Fasulye on 15 March 2009 at 6:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5896 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 479 of 3959 14 March 2009 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
Precies maten aftellen is erg belangrijk en ligt aan de basis van het rhythmisch structuur van elk muziekstuk. Er is heel veel mathematik daarin en patronen en dat is zonder de intonatie te bekijken, wat ook davon heeft. Muziek heeft ontzettend veel lagen en componenten. voor mij hebben de toonarten verschillende gevoelens ook, soms kleuren en verschillende maten van rijkdom. Ik ben ook nooit naar een muziekschool geweest maar best wel lang muziektherapie gevolgd en omdat ik de trommel, guitaar enz niks vond heb ik altijd gezegd dat ik de piano wilde leren. Mijn beste vriend speelt prachtig viool en de vriend van mijn oudste zuster speelt heel goed piano en van ze allemaal heb ik geleerd b.v. partituren lezen maar dat is makkelijk. Mijn ouders zijn anders als de jouwe blijkbaar: niemand verteld me dat ik moet ophouden te spelen of zoiets.Ze zijn blij dat ik muziek mooi vind. thuis hebben we een piano. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 480 of 3959 14 March 2009 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
Dit maakt me denken aan een prachtig Deens gedicht - "Guldhornene" van Oehlenschläger - "De Gouden Horens". De twee gouden horens werden in protonordisch tijd gemaakt, en de ene bevatte een van de oudste Germaanse inscripties "Ek Hlawagastir cornu tawido". Maar in 1802 waren ze gestolen en gesmolten door een goudsmid, dus vandaag zijn er slechts kopieën. Guldhornene De higer og söger i gamle Böger, i oplukte Höie med speidende Öie, 5 paa Sværd og Skiolde i muldne Volde, paa Runestene blandt smuldnede Bene. They yearn and seek in olden bookes in opened mounds with gazing eye <-- NB singular !? on swords and shields in moulden banks, on Runic stones among mouldering bones Oltids Bedrifter 10 anede trylle; men i Mulm de sig hylle, de gamle Skrifter. Blikket stirrer, sig Tanken forvirrer. Olden times' deeds, sensed, conjure, but in Darkness they cover themselves, the olde scriptures. The gaze gazes, the thought confuses itself 15 I Taage de famle. „I gamle gamle hensvundne Dage! da det straalte i Norden, da Himlen var paa Jorden, In mist they grope In olden olden long gone days when it gleamed in the North when Heaven was on Earth 20 giv et Glimt tilbage!“ give us a gleam back! osv. osv. and so forth and so forth .... until the 'Hallows' again vanish (Oehlenschläger postulate that the Olde Gods wanted them back, but I'm somewhat more prosaic, - I think the goldsmith got the idea totally by himself..) Ik hoop dat Fasulye haar* Griekse kennisse niet zomaar opnieuw verdwijnen (corrected) Edited by Iversen on 15 March 2009 at 9:17am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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