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 Message 1377 of 3959
08 October 2009 at 11:46pm | IP Logged 
GER: Wir haben jetzt 1 1/2 Jahre türkische Arbeitsgruppe gemacht mit einem strikten Lernrhythmus. Genau diesen Lernrhythmus muss ich jetzt beibehalten. Davon wird der Erfolg abhängen. Macht mir weniger Spaß, ganz alleine zu lernen, aber ich habe meine sprachlichen Ziele und habe durch die 1 1/2 Jahre Arbeitsgruppe etwas Erfahrungen gesammelt in der selbstständigen Bearbeitung von Lektionen.

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 Message 1378 of 3959
08 October 2009 at 11:56pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
I was looking for suitable reading materials in Russian and happened to find the site www.tunguska.ru, where a bunch of knowledgeable aficionados have collected just about every shred of information about the Tunguska incident in 1908 that you might ever want to see - and a few you could do without (though only in Russian). The impact could be heard 1000 kms away, debris was found as far 710 km way and trees were overturned (away from the impact site) 30-32 km away. The nearest human settlement (one house) was at a distance of 40, and a hunter named Petrov from that house was probably the closest eye-witness. To this day it isn't totally sure what caused the incident. A certain Privalov made a list of 77 hypothesis in 1969, at a time where most specialists believed that the unidentified falling object is was a meteorite - even though no actual piece of it has ever been found. Nowadays the predominant theory is that it was comet that exploded in the atmosphere before impact. But a minority of hardliners still believe that it was an exploding flying saucer - after all there must be vodka on Mars. Or maybe the green bugeyed aliens came to buy some ... and just had a minor accident.


What I heard is that it was a meteorite, the comet theory is new to me.

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 Message 1379 of 3959
09 October 2009 at 12:31am | IP Logged 
OK, I may have shown my own preference too clearly by writing that the comet hypothesis has become the dominant one. But it is certainly the one that is gaining supporters these days, mostly because the impact site dosn't look like other impact sites and no unmistakable meteorite fragments have been found. Both the Danish and the Russian Wikipediae prefer the comet theory:


""Braget kunne høres 1.000 km væk. Man mener, det må have været en komet, da der blev meldt om stor lysudfoldelse om natten og næste aften, selv i Danmark, som ligger tusinder af kilometer fra Tunguska. Men man er stadig ikke helt sikker på, hvad det var."

"Тунгусский метеороид, или Тунгусский метеорит (Тунгусский феномен) — гипотетическое тело, вероятно, кометного происхождения, которое, предположительно, послужило причиной воздушного взрыва, произошедшего в районе реки Подкаменная Тунгуска "

...while the German and the English ones prefer leaving the question open, - quote


"Der Grund für diese Explosion wurde bisher nicht zweifelsfrei geklärt, wobei als wahrscheinlichste Ursache der Eintritt eines Asteroiden oder eines Kometen in die Erdatmosphäre angenommen wird."

" Although the cause of the explosion is the subject of debate, it is commonly believed to have been caused by the air burst of a large meteoroid or comet fragment at an altitude of 5–10 kilometres (3–6 miles) above the Earth's surface. "


Of course the authors of Wikipedia can't be taken to represent (all of) the scientific community, but this minisurvey does give a hint about the ideas that circulate nowadays up there.


Edited by Iversen on 09 October 2009 at 12:42am

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 Message 1380 of 3959
09 October 2009 at 12:41am | IP Logged 
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OK, I may have shown my own preference too clearly by writing that the comet hypothesis has become the dominant one. But it is certainly the one that is gaining supporters these days, mostly because the impact site dosn't look like other impact sites and no unmistakable meteorite fragments have been found. Both the Danish and the ." Although the cause of the explosion is the subject of debate, it is commonly believed to have been caused by the air burst of a large meteoroite or comet fragment at an altitude of 5–10 kilometres (3–6 miles) above the Earth's surface. "


An explosion above the Earth's surface would be logical, because otherwise people should have found at least some fragments of the object. In the planetarium they spoke about a meteorite and at "Deutscher Astronomietag" my astronomy club offered a lecture about this topic, but I didn't attend it.

Thanks for giving an overview of the discussion around this impact, you have accesss to Danish and Russian sources, so this is interesting.

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Edited by Fasulye on 09 October 2009 at 12:45am

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 Message 1381 of 3959
09 October 2009 at 12:57am | IP Logged 
I was about to close down my PC for the night, but then I looked down the items on my Google search result list and found one more homepage about the Tunguska explosion, this time from the University in Bologna, but written in English: www-th.bo.infn.it/tunguska/. It has also chosen not to take a definite stance on what it was that fell down in 1908 at Tunguska:

"Up to now, it is not clear whether the great explosion was due to a comet or an asteroid or something else. We are searching for an answer."

Furthermore this Danish science site quotes scientists at Cornell University for a claim that space shuttle Endeavour caused 'luminous night clouds' a 85 kms altitude, and that similar clouds were seen after the Tunguska incident (a fact mentioned also at www.tunguska.ru). These clouds were in fact also seen in England right after the Tunguska impact which suggests that they were formed by ripples caused by the falling object. And for some reason this is taken as a proof that this object wasn't a meteorite, but a comet (the logic here beats me, but I'm not a specialist in the the effects of falling objects).


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 Message 1382 of 3959
09 October 2009 at 9:03am | IP Logged 
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It has also chosen not to take a definite stance on what it was that fell down in 1908 at Tunguska: "Up to now, it is not clear whether the great explosion was due to a comet or an asteroid or something else. We are searching for an answer."


This seems the best statement to me just to admit that there is no proof of which object caused the impact and to leave the question open until more evidence is found.

I am quite filled up with my tagging work in the forum and I have to do my Turkish, so I cannot read as much about such interesting topics as I would like to. That's a pity!

PS: Thanks for the Danish link, I am collecting Danish material for my Danish project of 2011.

Fasulye

Edited by Fasulye on 09 October 2009 at 9:08am

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EP: Esta mañana, he visto una historia en la televisión trata de una prueba para el agua lunar. Parece que choque un proble en el polo de la Luna para discubrir el agua. ¿La has visto?


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 Message 1384 of 3959
09 October 2009 at 12:01pm | IP Logged 
DaraghM wrote:
EP: Esta mañana, he visto una historia en la televisión trata de una prueba para el agua lunar. Parece que choque un proble en el polo de la Luna para discubrir el agua. ¿La has visto?


El agua lunar???

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Edited by Fasulye on 09 October 2009 at 12:02pm



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