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 Message 1521 of 3959
28 November 2009 at 4:01am | IP Logged 
Well, the climate conference is big news, but for me it is mostly a lot of politicians that babble and babble and babble and babble.... I have read one thing that may serve as an antidote against too much hysteria around CO2 and things like that, nemlig some leaked reports about ecologists that in private e-mails frankly discussed how to lie about disturbing problems in their science and about methods to keep dissidents away from peer-reviewed scientific journals and academic positions. Whenever something becomes too popular fanatical types like those people turn up, and a good case becomes something like a religious creed where facts are suppressed if they don't fit the pattern. I fear that the conference will be a perspectiveless battle between such singleminded fanaticists and political bunglers that don't care a bit about the environment, and at the same time we will have hordes of confrontations-seeking criminal gangs roaming the streets of Copenhagen. Such conferences should be kept far away from places where people have to live - maybe someway on the Antarctic iceshelf (which is a very relevant theme for their discussions)

DU: Toen de conferentie begint, word ik waarschijnlijk enige commentaaren daarto schrijfen. Milieu is belangrijk, ondanks aantal van haar vaandeldragers. Ik ben beindrukt van Tommus z'n kennis van de inhoud van de Deense kranten. Het nieuws dat taaldocenten moeten besteden tijd in het buitenland is zeer welkom, maar ik wist het eigenlijk niet.

Apart from that I have had a lot of work to do for my travel club these days. We have our annual general assembly tomorrow, where I have been asked to be the chairman. Besides our magazine will be snt to the members in the begining of next, so we have sent e-mails to more than 500 members asking them to confirm their current address. Many of them also have told about first visits to new countries and things like that, which we register. An finally it has been my lot to scan and copy and registre 43 postcards from members who are travelling all around the world (which after all is the purpose of our club). So my time for language studies has been severely limited, - after all you can't spend your time twice (at least not outside Harry Potter). I have been reading my my book about conducting by Richard Wagner, but that's about all I have had time for.

SP: Sin embargo, también he leído mi diario (o más bien mi diario y tres periódicos gratuitos cada dia). Hace unos dias he leido una entrevista con un autor argentino Alberto Manguel. Yo no sabía su nombre, pero un hombre que tiene más de 40.000 libros en su biblioteca privada merece un cierto respeto. Tuvo una infancia extraña: su padre fue un diplomático, por lo que la familia viajaba por todo. El hijo fue criado por una institutriz checo-alemán, que sólo hablaba alemán y inglés con él. Dado que sus padres sólo hablaban español y francés, es claro que tenían algunos problemas de comunicación en la familia. Mas tarde fue 'lector' del autor mas conocido Borges, que era ciego. Durante estos años ha aprendida tan bien el español que él también podía mas tarde devenir un autor. Además habla con fluidez el alemán y el Italiano. Su tesis general es que las personas son cada vez más estúpidos, porque todas las comunicaciones en la sociedad actual se deben aplicar al denominador común más bajo. Según señor Manguet los verdaderos revolucionarios son la gente que a pesar de todo aún leen libros. Pero ayayay, será difícil de vender estos pensamientos a los directores de bancos y los ejecutivos y los políticos, por no mencionar a las bandas extraparlamentarias que se están preparando para la cumbre del clima en Copenhague. Amantes de la cultura como este hombre están una especie en extinción.


Edited by Iversen on 28 November 2009 at 4:21am

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 Message 1522 of 3959
28 November 2009 at 7:53am | IP Logged 
In Ephemeridem non modo de Lucio Berlusconio scriptus est, sed tamen de tribu Piraha, seipsos nuncupant hi,aiti'ihi, quae 200-360 homines et feminae numeratur in area Amazonae ad ripam fluminis Maici. Lingua sua non numeros habet, at modo verba relationiis: istud magis is quod istud. Quare numerant pauce, magis, multe. Termina coloris nesciunt. Etiam tempora non habet lingua. Non pssibile est de rei abstractis disputare: existat modo id quod ego visi, id quod tu visi et id quod vistum est de aliqua persona quae tibi in persona narrabat. Iesus non existat quia non de testimonibus contemporanibus ex tribu vistus est - ergo missionarius Everett veni, vidi et victus est - nunc studiosus areligiosus est quia Pirahes non persuadere potebat de realitate Iesu. Tu vidi Iesum? Non est. Pater tuus eum vidi? Necnon? Ergo 'Iesus' non existat, q.e.d.

Lingua et cultura Pirahis etiam hic et hic mentionem facta est.

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Ephemeris also mentions the tribe Piraha with the strange language that doesn't have numbers, color names, grammatical tempus nor the possibility to speak of things that haven't been seen by either me, you or somebody you know. Ephemeris also writes that they rarely sleep a whole night, but instead take short naps all through the day - I didn't know that.

Edited by Iversen on 28 November 2009 at 8:03am

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 Message 1523 of 3959
28 November 2009 at 8:22am | IP Logged 
NL: Ik zal naar Venlo gaan vandaag en daar mijn Nederlandse vriend ontmoeten. Ze hebben daar een goede boekenwinkel, maar die is niet zo groot. Daar wil ik eens naar Nederlandse boeken rondkijken, misschien hebben ze wat over het Turks of Deens. Of iets natuurwenschappelijks... We zullen ook naar een CD/DVD winkel gaan. Van de vele Duitse touristen, die elke zaterdag de stad binnenvallen, houden we ons volstrekt afzijdig. Maar eens kijken of ik daar interessant materiaal in het Nederlands kan kopen...

PS: Het is niets natuurwetenschappelijks geworden, maar een vegetarisch kookboek in het Nederlands (Cucina Italiana) en een boek "De mooiste Sinterklaasliedjes" met noten en CD. De liederen zijn mij niet bekend, maar met de CD wel makkelijk te leren, dus ik wil daarvan wat liederen op de melodica spelen.

In het museumscafé waar wij aten, werden wij door Sinterklaasmuziek en drie als Zwarte Pieten verkleede vrouwen begroet. Dat zijn hele mooie kostumen, jammer dat ik niets mee had om te fotograferen. Met belangstelling heb ik van dit stuk Nederlandse cultuur genoten.

Fasulye

Edited by Fasulye on 28 November 2009 at 5:12pm

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 Message 1524 of 3959
28 November 2009 at 2:58pm | IP Logged 
SP: Me gustan muchissimo los libros de Alberto Manguel! He leyeído casi todos sus libros, pero en francés.
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 Message 1525 of 3959
29 November 2009 at 5:36am | IP Logged 
Hallo alle :)

Wie gehts euch?
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 Message 1526 of 3959
29 November 2009 at 3:40pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
Ephemeris also mentions the tribe Piraha with the strange language that doesn't have numbers, color names, grammatical tempus nor the possibility to speak of things that haven't been seen by either me, you or somebody you know. Ephemeris also writes that they rarely sleep a whole night, but instead take short naps all through the day - I didn't know that.


Reference to the indian tribe and the Amazon triggered a longer stare at your post. I was on the edge of remembering some weird factoid about Amazon cultures, and then I came across this video on Youtube of the Piraha language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=v7Spzjh9QgA

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 Message 1527 of 3959
30 November 2009 at 12:52am | IP Logged 
GER: In Deutschland habe ich irgendwann den heiligen Nicolaus und seinen Assistent Knecht Ruprecht getroffen. getroffen. Sie haben Süßigkeiten an den Kindern verteilt, aber ich war schon damals zu alt - Schade! Im Allemannischen Wikipedia kann man darüber mehr lesen

FR: Cette fin de sémaine j'ai assisté à l'assemblée générale dans mon club de voyageurs. Après nous avons eu notre 'diner de noël'. Franchement je ne sais pas comment appeler cette institution culturelle des Danois, mais chaque Danois est supposé d'assister à plusieurs de ces diners: toute entreprise célèbre son 'Julefrokost', sinon c'est la révolution! Puisque j'ai du aller à Copenhague j'ai eu 2 x 3 heures dans un train où j'ai pu m'occuper de mes langues. J'ai lu la moitié d'une grammaire russe, un des mes livres avec des expressions idiomatiques françaises et quelques magazins, y inclus l'issue no. 9 de Ushuaia, que j'ai acquis à Strasbourg cet année - il est nommé après la ville la plus australe du monde, qui se trouve sur la Tierra del Fuego. C'est un magazin avec un profil nettement vert et écologiste, mais prêt à contredire quelques projets douteux qui parfois sont considérés comme verts - par example la production de 'biocarburants', qui entraîne la production pour la combustion, plutôt que pour les aliments, et qui cause la destruction de vastes superficies de terres en par example Indonésie, où les gouvernements locaux veulent établir la culture de 'carburants'. Le magazin a d'ailleurs la Nouvelle-Zélande comme l'un de ses principaux thèmes.

Og så købte jeg forøvrigt et blad på serbish/kroatisk på Hovedbanegården i København, - og selv uden en ordbog kan jeg forstå meget af indholdet.

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The reference to the "drie als Zwarte Pieten verkleede vrouwen" in Fasulye's message above made me remember en episode from Germany, where I was waiting for a train at a railway station in December. And then came The Holy Niclas and Knecht Ruprecht. That's a purely German tradition - Nicolas is of course the (presumed) historical figure behind Father Christmas, but in other countries he doesn't have a named helper.

I have been to Copenhagen for the annual convention of my travel clubs, so I have had 2x3 hours of trains travel where I could study languages. This included an issue of the French magazine Ushuaia, named after the Southernmost town in the world (which incidentally has been chosen as the venue for a regular meeting in my travel club - we succeeded in getting twenty members to come to a similar meeting in Tirana a few months ago). In the magazine there was among other things a criticism of the production of biofuels, - clearly not everything with "bio-" in its name is ecological and Green, and in this case the plants needed for the fuel will either be edible plants OR they will substitute potential food plants ORthe production will entail the destruction of hitherto unused land, as it happens for instance on Borneo. I also read some Russian grammar, a book about French idioms, further magazines including on in Serbo/croat, which I bought at the main railwaystation in Copenhagen before going home. Even though my Russian isn't good, it alrady now seems to be sufficiently good as a base for understanding simple texts in other Slavic languages.


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 Message 1528 of 3959
30 November 2009 at 12:52am | IP Logged 
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