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Iversen
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 Message 441 of 3959
11 March 2009 at 12:10pm | IP Logged 
I have seen a description somewhere on this forum of a guy who decided to learn Japanese, and who transformed his whole life into a Japanese setting: he only eat Japanese food, he only listened to Japanese music and surrounded himself entirely by Japanese objects , - in short he got something like a total immersion without leaving his home country. Unfortunately I have forgotten his name, otherwise it would have been possible to search for it.

You can't be quite as extreme as this, but trying to think in Turkish about your daily life is an important part of the project (and less conspicuous). Making a systematical collection of words and phrases describing your daily activities is a very good idea, but don't forget the words for common astronomical phenomena like nebulae, stars, planets and satellites, nor computer related items like keyboards, screen and mouse - after all you clearly spend quite a lot of time thinking about these things, so they are as important as the word for dish washing.

Right now I think that your main problem will be that you will tend to block your own Turkish thoughts by being too critical about them, but time will tell. Good luck with your method.

Fasulye wrote:
"...when I start thinking in Turkish, it soon gets interrupted, because words are missing."



EDIT: Found in another thread: the blog of Khatzumoto-san
alljapaneseallthetime.com

Edited by Iversen on 11 March 2009 at 4:13pm

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 Message 442 of 3959
11 March 2009 at 12:47pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
I have seen a description somewhere on this forum of a guy who decided to learn Japanese, and who transformed his whole life into a Japanese setting: he only eat Japanese food, he only listened to Japanese music and surrounded himself entirely by Japanese objects , - in short he got something like a total immersion without leaving his home country. Unfortunately I have forgotten his name, otherwise it would have been possible to search for it.


hahahaha!! das ist lustig!!! Fasulye, you must eat Turkish food!!




Mahlzeit!!!
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 Message 443 of 3959
11 March 2009 at 1:13pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
I have seen a description somewhere on this forum of a guy who decided to learn Japanese, and who transformed his whole life into a Japanese setting: he only eat Japanese food, he only listened to Japanese music and surrounded himself entirely by Japanese objects , - in short he got something like a total immersion without leaving his home country. Unfortunately I have forgotten his name, otherwise it would have been possible to search for it.

You can't be quite as extreme as this, but trying to think in Turkish about your daily life is an important part of the project (and less conspicuous). Making a systematical collection of words and phrases describing your daily activities is a very good idea, but don't forget the words for common astronomical phenomena like nebulae, stars, planets and satellites, nor computer related items like keyboards, screen and mouse - after all you clearly spend quite a lot of time thinking about these things, so they are as important as the word for dish washing.

Right now I think that your main problem will be that you will tend to block your own Turkish thoughts by being too critical about them, but time will tell. Good luck with your method.

Fasulye wrote:
"...when I start thinking in Turkish, it soon gets interrupted, because words are missing."



I've just made my first experiences with my new method "everydaylife language transfer" and it seems to be promising. I can lead my normal life and eat my normal food, that is nothing to change. By my first try today in the noon break I already got the impression that I will achieve the thinking level of Turkish in a quick period of time, otherwise I would have to wait for months and years, never knowing when the effect will come. Of course the astronomy vocabulary will come later on. I will describe my method in detail and give concrete Turkish examples in my own TAC Turkish log. And I can listen to French and Italian music and work in Dutch. The "everydaylife language transfer" is something what I implement, when I am alone and I have the possibility to think. I am curious by myself, because it's a new invention and I am looking forward to how quickly I will reach which effects.

Fasulye-Babylonia

Edited by Fasulye on 11 March 2009 at 2:01pm

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Isst du Turkisches Essen nicht gerne? Ich schon :-) ich glaube aber nicht, dass Turkisches essen dir bei der Sprachelernen hilfen würde weil dazwischen gibt's keine Zusammenhang.
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 Message 445 of 3959
11 March 2009 at 3:36pm | IP Logged 
Jar-ptitsa wrote:
Isst du Turkisches Essen nicht gerne? Ich schon :-) ich glaube aber nicht, dass Turkisches essen dir bei der Sprachelernen hilfen würde weil dazwischen gibt's keine Zusammenhang.


Hi Jar-ptisa,

ich esse gerne und oft die türkische Lahmacun, das ist eine türkische Pizza mit Salat.Aber das ist völlig unabhängig von meiner heute neu entwickelten Sprachlernmethode.Dabei kann ich essen, was ich will und Musik aus Ländern hören, wie ich will. Ich muss nur die Dinge, die ich tue, auf Türkisch benennen können.

Fasulye-Babylonia



Edited by Fasulye on 11 March 2009 at 3:51pm

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 Message 446 of 3959
11 March 2009 at 3:48pm | IP Logged 
Ich habe den japanisch-lernenden Fanatiker erwähnt, weil er vielleicht ein Bißchen extrem ist, aber es gibt eine gesunde Grundlage für seine Ideen, nämlich daß es einfacher ist, sich selbst dazu zu bringen in einer anderen Sprache zu Denken, wenn auch die Umgebung dazu passt. Ich habe zum Beispiel nicht ununterbrochen Französisch gesprochen während meiner reise nach Strasbourg. Weil aber alles ringsum mir Französisch war, habe ich automatisch auf Französisch gedacht statt auf Dänisch oder English. So es wäre nicht ganz sinnlos, Turkisches Essen zu haben und Turkische Musik zu hören um in der richtige Turkische Stimmung zu gelangen.
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 Message 447 of 3959
11 March 2009 at 3:54pm | IP Logged 
Ja, aber das Essen würde Fasulye nicht hilfen. ich meine, etwas bestimmtes Essen, bedeutet nicht,dass man eine Sprache besser sprechen kann. das sind separate Sachen und deshalb ohne Einfluss voneineander. Ich mag Turkisches essen, kenne aber kein Wort der Sprache außer "Kebab". fernsehen gucken, das würde doch hilfen oder Turkisch mit den Leute im Turkischen Restaurant sprechn.
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 Message 448 of 3959
11 March 2009 at 4:00pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
Ich habe den japanisch-lernenden Fanatiker erwähnt, weil er vielleicht ein Bißchen extrem ist, aber es gibt eine gesunde Grundlage für seine Ideen, nämlich daß es einfacher ist, sich selbst dazu zu bringen in einer anderen Sprache zu Denken, wenn auch die Umgebung dazu passt. Ich habe zum Beispiel nicht ununterbrochen Französisch gesprochen während meiner reise nach Strasbourg. Weil aber alles ringsum mir Französisch war, habe ich automatisch auf Französisch gedacht statt auf Dänisch oder English. So es wäre nicht ganz sinnlos, Turkisches Essen zu haben und Turkische Musik zu hören um in der richtige Turkische Stimmung zu gelangen.


Ich wende die "everydaylife language transfer" Methode zum Beispiel in unserer Betriebskantine und in der U-Bahn an oder auf dem Weg durch die Stadt, dabei gibt's weder türkisches Essen noch türkische Musik. Für den Effekt, den ich erzielen will, ist es auch gar nicht nötig. Es wird euch vielleicht deutlicher, wenn ich ein konkretes Beispiel dazu bringe in meinem TAC Log. Dann wird das klar. So ist das Ganze zu abstrakt. Die Methode funktioniert in unserer normalen Betriebskantine, ich habe es heute ausprobiert. Ich laufe hier durch die Computerräume und denke auf Türkisch, dass ich jetzt die Tür öffnen muss und in die Kantine gehen will. Es ist eigentlich völlig egal, was ich gerade mache, ich muss es nur in Worten ausdrücken können.

Fasulye-Babylonia

Edited by Fasulye on 11 March 2009 at 4:17pm



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